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TOPIC: Hard work mentality Or just plain lost in your work
Created by: Robert_Hil
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Work hard? There is a line between working hard and working like a slave.

I enjoy seeing how many of you think working 60, 70, 90 hours a week is working hard and not working as slaves. I enjoy seeing how you think 150,000 USD a year is fair trade for someone else to raise your children, how you think that this is a stable and love filled home.

Answer me this, of those of you who are working so hard, when was the last soccer game that you watched with your kids? How about the last game your kids played in? Dance recitals? or award ceremony?

I can only imagin one cause for you not to value these important times with your family above all else... and if this is the case, then you have my deepest condolances for learning the wrong moral lessons in life.

But just because your life was so horrid that you fled from it, that you would rather make work a lifestyle and allow strangers who you do not know raise your kids, doesn't mean you get to raise the bar to working as you do.

It isn't healthy, it doesn't forge bonds of any sort and it makes for a angered population. If you are working and never home, always relying upon a gym coach or dance teacher, to be the father you might be one day a week... (If you aren't at the bottom of a bottle hidding from the pain) why should your child call you father or mother?

Being a father is so much more than a pay check, yet you have demoted it to just that. You work and work and work, but by the time you are able to retire, your kids are grown and gone, your grand kids are a mystery and faces seen only when your kids need babysitters and the daycare centers are closed.

Is that really the lifestyle you desire for your kids? For any kid? If so, please, do humanity the favor and don't have children. It shouldn't be difficult, you wouldn't be missing much more and can enjoy all that money you've saved when another younger you seeks to put you out of a job.

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oh and another thing.Iwas paid for what I knew,not for my muscle.what I learned was 30 years of expenice that I sold to them to make money and I was paid very good.it don't take much to be a securty guard.an idiot can be a guard,after all, all he does is stand around and look at whatever.so if you don't know what you are talking about.ask somebody that does know....fucking twinkes........BS..oh some machines can kill you faster then a bullet to the brian.

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a contrator bids a job at a set price.all changes are extra and charged at a higher price.I'am going to type this real slow you all will understander.in my loca a operator is paid pervailing wage set by the state.a machine has to make x amount of money for that machine.lets say a scarper makes 200.00 an hour.it is cheaper for an operator to stand around for a week then it is for a machine to sit around with no operator.a man is not going to go to work and not get paid.so if an operator is paid for week and makes 800.00 is better then having a machine setting all day and losing 800.00 in one day for lack of operator.you might set a day or two.but when you work it wiil be balls to the wall for weeks at a time.most road crews work 10 hour day.all the machines you see on a road job,I run or most I operate.I have run them all,at times I would be on up to 6 different machines a day.for those that didn't show up or as relife operator.Iwould like to see a 50,000 ton dump truck......BS

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OK I gotta say it- a construction contract for the government is almost always a Stipulated Sum or Unit Price Contract. Seldom are the contracts an "open checkbook", and seldom do they contain language regarding escalation of the contractor's price in the event raw materials or labor costs rise before the contract is complete.

If a contractor bids a job and is awarded a contract at a certain bid price, it is up to the contractor to do the job at that price. There is no guarantee of a profit, there is no guarantee of covering your costs.

The contractor is gambling that fuel, material, insurance and labor costs will not rise over the life of the contract so much that the contractor loses money.

Example- If the duration of the contract is beyond the current labor contract period (assuming a union labor force) and the next labor contract wage increases more than the contractor anticipates, the contractor is going to spend more in labor than anticipated. When wages go up $X, the cost to the contractor per labor hour will go up $X + $Y. The Y$Y is the incremental increase that will also rise due to the associated payroll taxes, liability and worker's compensation insurance. The Y is an unknown variable as well- that can change depending on market conditions.

Seriously Robert, I deal with this every day, and have done so for longer than you you have been going potty all by yourself.

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I find it incredible how someone who seems to understand all the intricacies of finance, politics, and any other business you can think of is unable to not turn themselves into a billionaire. Somehow.

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Robert- I didn't say runs out of money, I said "profitable".

I appreciate your concern, but I do not need a lesson on managing construction projects.

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""A manufacturer of the products being used told me it was night and day between the quality and productivity of the private business versus the local government employees.""

Speaking as a mfg of construction materials, thats absolutely true.

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Good:

If only.... But it doesn't work that way anymore.

Company runs out of money in the development of a weapon system or in this case the construction project... The government is given 2 options... Either find more funding and get the project completed, or it stands incomplete and you the government must find new funding anyway.

Oh and one more thing... Often times you will see construction crews standing around because they are hired help for that project... Not trained professionals who know how to take the project to the next step without hand holding.

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Actually it does. If a private company does not stay profitable, they go out of business. A government division/branch works to the limits of its budget, and stops. A private contractor has to complete the contract, regardless of the cost, and so is motivated to "git 'er done".

A local government attempted to do some types of work themselves that they had contracted out in the past. When it began costing far too much, they returned to contracting the work out. The private companies (paying prevailing wage) did the projects in less time and at a lower cost to the taxpayers than the public employees who received the same wage.

A manufacturer of the products being used told me it was night and day between the quality and productivity of the private business versus the local government employees.

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Good:

Public/private workers don't matter these days.

A number of private companies are doing road work in hazleton. Widening a road that cuts through the middle of hazleton. They have been doing this job for five years now. I often see them standing around doing next to nothing... And they really are doing nothing.

It doesn't take five men to work a rake when laying temporary asphalt. (to cover something they intend to dig up to do the job right.

Not one of these workers are a state or even city employee. They work for private companies who bid on the jobs.

Do you know why I am not too upset?

These employees would otherwise be unemployed or working minimum wage jobs, this not contributing to the nation, but rather making Walmart richer and the nation poorer through being subsadized labor.

Now with their construction jobs, they pay taxes and buy goods/services and don't receive welfare or as much welfare.

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CRS- Can't Remember Shit. Meaning you only have to say something once and I remember it. Very well in fact. I have a pornographic membery.

I didn't talk to the crew. Not my place- even though they were public employees- not a private contractor's crew.

I'll say it again- I am well aware of what a construction project is like.

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