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"If the right is absolute, and if it is so easy to understand, and the gun rights group has a lot of money to lobby, why is it that there are 20,000 gun restriction laws in the US?"

Well, we'd have to take them one law at the time. Give me a specific law in question and I'll try to explain why we have it, and if it affects my RKBA.

As far as I know, my RKBA is intact. I own several guns. I have a CWP and can legally carry a gun on my person.

Yes, there are a lot of laws, but none of them stop me from owning or carrying weapons.

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"So a law professor from one of the top law schools in the nation who clerked for Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor and is a recognized specialist in gun control legislation doesn't know what he is talking about."

The web page you posted doesn't define any of the terms used in the 2nd amendment, nor does it take any position on what the the 2nd is assumed to mean.

The web page you posted only describes pedant tactics to obfuscate clear language and that could be used by some legal bozos to undermine the 2nd.

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better dead, than red/liberal

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"I like Affirmative Action, Reparations for slavery" WTF??? Someone should only get the job because of their qualifications not their skin color. My family never owned slaves. So I don't owe a fucking thing to people whose great great great grandparents were. Slaves and the people who owned them are long gone. Thank goodness. Slavery was a horrible part of our history but at the time it was legal. Maybe if the S.C. finds the DC gun ban was unconstitutional then maybe pro gun victims should sue DC for reparations.

Slaves were selectively bred to produce strong workers. They auctioned the studs to breed with strong women. Maybe the families of slave owners should sue NBA and NFL players for their families part in their careers.

That is as about as stupid as reparations for slavery. Almost as stupid as Clinton apologising for The U.S. bombing Japan.

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I think the two- party system fosters a us/ them stance on every issue. How I YEARN for it's demise! I generally split my ticket, and leave a lot of blank "no- contest" spaces. I envy a lot of parliamentary countries rules on run- offs and quorums. "If I were president..." I'd start with a $250 tax on your federal return if you DON'T vote, and I'd hope states followed suite. I'd also make election day a national holiday.

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Oh, in case you didn't notice, or see the earlier post I'm a REAL Liberal- and damn proud. Look up the definition, reclaim the honor!

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People are WAAAAAAY to sentimental about the constitution and "Our Founders..." The real question here is not about history, or diction/ syntax. It is this:

Do you believe that YOU are ultimately responsible for your well- being or are you willing to sacrifice that responsibility, for whatever perceived moral or societal benefit, and trust your well- being to some "other"?

I'm a Union man, I believe in Socialized medicine; I like Affirmatve Action, Reparations for slavery; I think most war is just economic exploitation, and that global investment capitalism is the greatest evil facing our new century. I gave a bum sleeping on the train some food on my way home last night. In short I LIKE society and believe people are generally better- off when they band together to accomplish a lot of things- HOWEVER, I believe above all this, indeed, PROTECTING all these concepts is the fact that the individuals in ANY organization are ultimately responsible for their own welfare, and I will NEVER surrender the tools I need to defend mine.

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Well, Jack, you got number one down.

Now go for 2 thru 14.

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So a law professor from one of the top law schools in the nation who clerked for Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor and is a recognized specialist in gun control legislation doesn't know what he is talking about.

ER, you sometimes chide me for using liberal talking points to make my argument. I have to return the favor here. Really, I expect a bit more thought and creativity in your post. One expects that stuff from Desty, Jack, and Dan, but I thought you were better than that. But let's move on.

OK. Let's take your arguments at face value. Your basic premise is that the RPKBA is absolute. There should be no law restricting this right. And that the wording is so exceptionally clear that an 8 year old can understand it. You are wrong, but for the sake of argument, lets give that to you.

Jack stated there are 20,000 gun restriction laws in the US.

The NRA, the primary gun rights group, has a multi hundreds of millions of dollar budget.

If the right is absolute, and if it is so easy to understand, and the gun rights group has a lot of money to lobby, why is it that there are 20,000 gun restriction laws in the US?

One would think, logically, that if the amendment is as you say it is, that these 20,000 laws would quickly be overturned as unconstitutional.

In fact, only one time has the Supreme Court heard a case directly related to the Second Amendment. One time in over 200 years. And the Court clearly came down on the side of restriction.

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And TBR for every single obfusctor you can find willing to make unclear the verbiage of the second amendment, I can find 10 expert linguists that will set it straight for you.

Here's a good one:

largo*org/literary.html

"So now we have been told by one of the top experts on American usage what many knew all along: the Constitution of the United States unconditionally protects the people's right to keep and bear arms, forbidding all governments formed under the Constitution from abridging that right."

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