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Far be it for me to take any sides in this, but in this matter Angel is correct. Some of the best deals in ammo is surplus FMJ military stuff. Cabela's sells a ton of it, and new this year they actually have "tracer rounds". Aching to get a hold of a box of them for my AR, lol. Most states, NV included, don't allow the surplus ammo for hunting though, because of it being FMJ Of course on DJ's side, I'm sure there were a few fractures rules in "acquiring" said ammo from a military base,lol. Though I doubt it's the first thing to disappear from a base. My uncle brought me back a handful of military phosphorus 30 cal rounds when he came home from viet nam. Man they were a hoot to shoot, and left a glowing trail just like road flare, even in daylight.

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Absolute idiots...can we hang all the socialists together?

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FJ, If you had gotten THAT one, you could have sold it to me! I'd have given you $200 LOL

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THOUGHTS ON GUN CONFISCATION In 1911, Turkey established gun control. Subsequently, from 1915 to 1917, 1.5-million Armenians, deprived of the means to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed. In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. Then, from 1929 to 1953, approximately 20- millon dissidents were rounded up and killed. In 1938 Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945 over 13-million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill, union leaders, Catholics and others, unable to fire a shot in protest, were rounded up and killed. In 1935, China established gun control. Subsequently, between 1948 and 1952, over 20-million dissidents were rounded up and killed. In 1956, Cambodia enshrined gun control. In just two years (1975-1977) over one million "educated" people were rounded up and killed. In 1964, Guatemala locked in gun control. From 1964 to 1981, over 100,000 Mayan Indians were rounded up and killed as a result of their inability to defend themselves. In 1970, Uganda got gun control. Over the next nine years over 300,000 Christians were rounded up and killed. Over 56-million people have died because of gun control in the last century ...448 Senator Diane Feinstein, speaking on "60-Minutes" said "if I thought I could get the votes, I'd have taken them all." SERIOUS QUESTIONS TO ASK YOURSELF • If guns are effective enough to be a criminal's preferred tool, why are they not good enough to use for protection? • Why do politicians insist their bodyguards be armed, but not you and I? • If you and your children were face to face with a male attacker twice your size, what would you do; If you weren't armed? If you were armed? • If guns are "too dangerous" to be in our society, how come our leaders want to be the only ones who have them? Do you trust our leaders implicitly to protect you at all times? • Which is better – more gun control and the eventual banning of all guns in our society, or not sitting by helplessly watching as an intruder repeatedly rapes your 13- year-old daughter? • If we ever completely ban guns, do you think there will be no more armed criminals in America? • With so many gun laws already on the books, how come "gun crimes" still exist?

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SAMUEL ADAMS, MEMBER OF THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..."442 WILLIAM RAWLE, POST-REVOLUTION U.S. ATTORNEY "The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to Congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both."443 THOMAS PAINE, AMERICAN REVOLUTION POLITICAL PHILOSOPHER "Arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order..." MAFIA INFORMANT SAMMY "THE BULL" GRAVANO "Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing. If I'm a bad guy, I'm always gonna have a gun. Safety locks? You will pull the trigger with a lock on, and I'll pull the trigger. We'll see who wins." RICHARD HENRY LEE, MEMBER OF THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS “[W]hereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them;”444 ALEXANDER HAMILTON, AUTHOR OF THE FEDERALIST PAPERS "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."445 ZACHARIAH JOHNSON "The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them."446

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Dancing I missed a golden opportunity when I was stationed at Grissom AFB. The Indiana state patrol were auctioning off their 4 inch chrome colt pythons. Damn if I only knew how coveted they would become....LOL

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JAMES MADISON, AMERICAN FOUNDING FATHER “[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...[where] the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” OLIVER STONE, MOVIE DIRECTOR "I like automatic weapons. I fought for my right to use them in Vietnam." PATRICK HENRY, AMERICAN FOUNDING FATHER AND CATALYST FOR THE BILL OF RIGHTS "The great objective is that every man be armed ... . Everyone who is able may have a gun." MACHIAVELLI "The Swiss are well armed and enjoy great freedom"436 “From this we plainly see the folly and imprudence of demanding a thing, and saying beforehand that it is intended to be used for evil; … For it is enough to ask a man to give up his arms, without telling him that you intend killing him with them; after you have the arms in hand, then you can do your will with them.”437 TENCHE COXE, REVOLUTIONARY ERA WRITER "As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."438 "Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people"439

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JOHN ADAMS, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES “Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation not only of my person, my limbs, and life, but of my property, is an indisputable right of nature which I have never surrendered to the public by the compact of society, and which perhaps, I could not surrender if I would."427 "Here, every private person is authorized to arm himself, and on the strength of this authority, I do not deny the inhabitants had a right to arm themselves at that time, for their defense, not for offense..."428 ST. GEORGE TUCKER, AMERICAN REVOLUTION MAJOR AND POST REVOLUTION JUDGE "In America we may reasonably hope that the people will never cease to regard the right of keeping and bearing arms as the surest pledge of their liberty."429 WALTER MONDALE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT AND U.S. AMBASSADOR TO JAPAN "Gun bans don't disarm criminals, gun bans attract them."430 THOMAS JEFFERSON, AUTHOR OF THE AMERICAN DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."431 "What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."432 "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."433 "One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."434 "I learn with great concern that [one] portion of our frontier so interesting, so important, and so exposed, should be so entirely unprovided with common fire-arms. I did not suppose any part of the United States so destitute of what is considered as among the first necessaries of a farm-house."435 "None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important."

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PRO-GUN QUOTES JOHN F. KENNEDY, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom." "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia,' the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms,' our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny, which gave rise to the Second Amendment, will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." MAHATMA GANDHI, PEACEFUL REVOLUTIONARY “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." ARISTOTLE "Those who have the command of the arms in a country are masters of the state, and have it in their power to make what revolutions they please. [Thus,] there is no end to observations on the difference between the measures likely to be pursued by a minister backed by a standing army, and those of a court awed by the fear of an armed people." GEORGE ORWELL “The totalitarian states can do great things, but there is one thing they cannot do: they cannot give the factory-worker a rifle and tell him to take it home and keep it in his bedroom. That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage, is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." HUBERT HUMPHREY, FORMER U.S. SENATOR AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES "Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.. .. The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against tyranny. .. "

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SARAH BRADY, CHAIRPERSON FOR HANDGUN CONTROL, INC. (NOW THE BRADY CAMPAIGN) "...I don't believe gun owners have rights.” "We would like to see, in the future, what we will probably call needs-based licensing of all weapons. ...Where it would make it much more difficult for anybody to be able to purchase handguns...." "To me, the only reason for guns in civilian hands is for sporting purposes.” JIM BRADY “[Handguns] For target shooting, that’s okay. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that’s why we have police.” ROSIE O'DONNELL, TV TALK SHOW HOSTESS “I think there should be a law -- and I know this is extreme -- that no one can have a gun in the U.S. If you have a gun, you go to jail. Only the police should have guns." “I don't care if you want to hunt, I don't care if you think it's your right. I say, sorry, you are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison." ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ, LAWYER AND FRANKFURTER PROFESSOR OF LAW “The Second Amendment has no place in modern society.” MICHAEL GARDNER, PRESIDENT OF NBC NEWS "There is no reason for anyone in this country ... to buy, to own, to have, to use a handgun ...The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns.”

"In fact, only police, soldiers -- and, maybe, licensed target ranges -- should have handguns. No one else needs one." GARY WILLS, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST "Every civilized society must disarm its citizens against each other." The media in general A two-year study by the Media Research Center concluded that television reporters are overwhelmingly opposed to Second Amendment rights. For broadcasts from major networks from July 1, 1995 to June 30, 1997, covering 244 gun policy stories: • The ratio of anti-gun to pro-gun bias was 16:1. • Anti-gun spokespeople (Sarah Brady, etc) were given three times the number of sound bites than pro-gun spokespeople (NRA, etc). JANET RENO, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL "The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace." MARION BARRY, FORMER MAYOR, WASHINGTON D.C. "Our neighbors in Virginia are just as responsible for these killings as the criminals are because they won't pass strong gun [control] legislation."(ed: The claim being that citizens of Virginia were responsible for D.C. murders.)

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