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Tb, I'm not sure if you've lead a very unlucky life, or a charmed life,lol. Of course, your first case doesn't count. Case number 2, he got the drop on you and you were very lucky. Case number 3,they all got the drop on you, and again you were very lucky.

I should say that in all 3 cases, I probably would not have opted to pull my sidearm.... with a disclaimer attached to #3. Generally to me, the protection of physical property wouldn't warrant a deadly force reaction from me. If however I were faced with situation #3 and an armed robber walked in and popped the first teller or store clerk in the head that they saw, you'd better believe that I'd be looking for an opportunity to employ my well practiced drawing and shooting capabilities.

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Jolter, I'm not exactly sure where your confusion lies. The fact is on an individual basis we are each far less likely to ever be in a situation where we need a firearm for defense, than we are to find ourselves in a situation where we need one. As far as pepper spray goes, it absolutely IS a viable self defense weapon as far as non-lethal weapons are concerned. Is it the best choice against an assailant armed with a gun or knife? Of course not, and nowhere did I imply that it was. To suggest that pepper spray has no value as a defense is just completely ridiculous in my eyes. Pepper spray is used to deter bear attacks by hikers every year, and to suggest that a spray capable of taking the fight out of an 800 pound charging bear, but having no affect on a 200 pound charging man, just escapes me. I'd also site that nearly every police department in the country uses it thousands of times every year. Once again, is it the best choice? Absolutely not, but it sure beats the shit out of a wing and a prayer.

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My situational awareness is just fine. I'm still here, right?

The first time, I accidentally set off the burglar alarm at the place I was working. Looked like I could have put my whole head in the barrel of the shotgun the officer pointed at me. So maybe that one doesn't count...

The second time I was working as a driver for an escort service. The guy got upset when he figured out the girl was not going to put out. He came at me with a gun, demanding his money back. Money was returned. No problem.

Third time I was a clerk in a bank that was the subject of a takeover robbery. Three people came in and made us all lay down on the floor. Got what they wanted and left.

All three times in the course of employment. So if I have a problem with situational awareness, maybe it is the jobs I have chosen in the past ;-)

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"I have been on the business end of a firearm on three occasions. In none of the three would my having a firearm made a bit of difference."

I seriously doubt this, typical exaggeration of an anti gun person. First of all if you had a gun and knew how to defend yourself having a gun would have made a difference, 3 times and you are not shot?...Secondly, if you would stop trying to rob the local corner store with a knife, you would not see so many guns pointed at you...lol

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"I have been on the business end of a firearm on three occasions. In none of the three would my having a firearm made a bit of difference."

Tb, I don't doubt you and understand how that would influence your decisions. However, the reality is that the number of instances when the "good guy's" possession of a firearm stops a crime from happening, far,far exceed the number of times that it had an adverse effect, or no effect at all. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that your situational awareness could use a bit of work. For instance, if I'm walking down the street in St Louis, and see a gang of youths approaching from the opposite direction, giving each other looks while flashing gang signs, my situational awareness would dictate that I cross the street. If they followed me, it would be time to get my strong hand on the grip of my gun, and prepare to defend myself.

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Jim, That's an excellent point, and you've made it very clearly, without attacking others who choose differently. You clearly recognize that "situational awareness" is your own personal best means of defense, as do the majority. For the majority of people on this site, unless they happen to be employed in certain professions that might put them in harms way more often, the chances of ever needing a firearm for self defense is far, far less than actually needing one. Owning and carrying a firearm for personal protection is certainly not something that should ever be taken lightly. If someone who had no experience with firearms, but felt they needed some kind of personal means of defending themselves, maybe because their job brought them into more dangerous neighborhoods, I would suggest several less lethal weapons, like pepper spray, stun guns or even a personal alarm. Certainly the finality of using a firearm in a self defense situation is something that everyone who chooses to carry has examined over and over in their own head. You mention random shootings, and while it's absolutely true that the odds of any individual being involved in something like that are tiny, the fact remains that it happens far more commonly than 50 years ago. In a worse case scenario, an unarmed person can grab their loved ones, dive for cover, and hope and pray for the best. A legally armed citizen has that option as well, except that we also have option #2, prepare to defend ourselves. In the case of a random maniac who proceeds to walk around systematically executing people, most people that I know who carry a weapon, would without a doubt choose door #2.

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Jn you are welcome to your feelings, and as a conservative I respect them. But, many times one ends up at the wrong place not meaning to. Do you think Ron Goldman thought he would die when he returned some sunglasses? I do though take exception to your pilot error analogy. Most accidental shootings are by people who do not take any responsibility for their actions. Buying a weapon is a major undertaking. No offense to you, but it was children from a home such as yours that would scare me in my home. My children were gun safe as were all the children of our friends. We began to work with our children at age 5 for gun safety, and continued that training for many years. I have taught gun safety to all ages. The first question I ask potential gun owners is "how do you plan to handle gun safety with your kids?" If thei answer is to hide the gun, I tell them to buy pepper spray and pray. A kid will find a weapon. You must for the 1st 5 -7 yrs of their lives have kid proof guns. After age 7 they must understand weapons and their power. I remember my old Marine dad blowing a stuffed bear away with a .12ga shotgun. He told me that would happen to anything that a weapon was pointed at. He then held that old 12 ga up for we to shoot. I landed on my 5yr old butt, with a sore shoulder and some ringing ears. It worked. I have used the same technique with at least 20 children and have made an impression on them all. Many of them are now parents, and tell me they plan to use the same with their kids. Gun safety is very simple: RULE 1. All guns are loaded. RULE 2 Anything you point a gun at will be destroyed. RULE 3 Anyone who points an weapon at you plans to kill you. RULE 3. When faced by rule 3, kill that individual. ONLY EXCEPTION: IF that person pointing a weapon at you wears a badge or the uniform of your country or an ally, remove whatever threat that individual may feel that you present to him. I have been stopped for routine traffic stop while armed. I immediately tell the officer that I am armed, the location of the weapon or weapons and my permit. I tell them they have my permission to search me and my vehicle and what can I do to make you feel safe. They always respect that, often we have ended up with discussions about my weapon and his, and usually get off with just a warning. Contrary to what liberals may say, most police officers prefer an armed population of honest individuals.

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I have been on the business end of a firearm on three occasions.

In none of the three would my having a firearm made a bit of difference.

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He was told he would be recommended for the Silver Star Medal, but he stated that he had only done what anyone there would have if they were awake, so he rejected any commendation for his bravery. Nearly 30 years later he was awarded the Silver Star, the U.S. military's third-highest award.

Hathcock said in a book written about his career as a sniper: "I like shooting, and I love hunting. But I never did enjoy killing anybody. It's my job. If I don't get those bastards, then they're gonna kill a lot of these kids we got dressed up like Marines. That's just the way I see it."

Hathcock's career as a sniper came to a sudden end outside Khe Sanh in 1969, when the amphibious tractor he was riding on struck an anti-tank mine. Hathcock pulled seven Marines off the flame-engulfed vehicle before jumping to safety. He came out of the incident with severe burns over ninety percent of his body, 43% of which were third-degree burns.[4] He was evacuated to Brooke Army Medical Center in Texas, where he underwent 13 skin graft operations. His injuries left him unable to perform effectively in combat with a rifle. Hathcock died on February 23, 1999, in Virginia Beach, Virginia, after a long struggle with multiple sclerosis. On March 9, 2007, the rifle and pistol complex at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar was officially renamed the Carlos Hathcock Range Complex.[

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Poly, It only requires one round from one weapon to kill you.You are far safer around people who own multiple weapons, since they are most likely experts in handling and safety. As for weapon for different times, yes. For tight fitting clothes, Ms funlady selects a kel-tec .380. It is very small and almost impossible to see. If we are going to be in Atlanta (or as we call it Detroit with humidity), a jacket is worn by both of us, a sig p220 in .45 acp with a laser sight for him,along with a NAA .22 mag in pocket; and a S&W.40 with tactical assault light for her. Under routine situations, we always wear a fanny pack with either a .357mag or .40cal in it. Bad guys know the look of a shoulder holster under a jacket, and will leave you alone. Criminals are not stupid, they are urban predators. Just like those in the wild, they will attack the weak. Ever see a hyena attack a male cape buffalo? As for the post who said they would select a shotgun, I cannot agree more. There is nothing on earth that sounds like a pump shotgun sending a round into the chamber. Our favorite home defense weapon is a minimum legal length 12gauge shotgun with 5 rounds of 00 buck shot. It is like Carlos Hathcock with a VC in the cross hair. One shot one kill. For the PC who have never heard of that great man, look him up on google. RIP White Feather.

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