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"So, to me, this is an issue of perception. How do you, in the face of almost weekly mass shootings, make a case that more restriction is not needed?"

TB, You're making the assumption that the majority of the "non-gun public" adopts the idea that tighter gun control will result in lower violent crime rates and reduce the number of public shootings. The fact is, not all do. Many of the non-gunners lean to the belief that additional gun restrictions simply would not have made a difference in most public mass shootings. When added to the number of pro-gun people, it creates a sizable obstacle for the brady bunch to further their anti-gun agenda.

Case in point, like RB brought up about DC and Chicago. While I don't have the stats right in front of me, the two cities score at the top of the list for murders, as well as other violent crimes, and both have held the title of Murder Capital of the US in past years. What do these two cities have in common? Owning & carrying a handgun for protection is illegal. What do you suppose the criminals use to commit these crimes.... sharpened q-tips?

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So you are going to try to make the case that without firearms, it would be worse?

Good Luck with that one...

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I am generally in favor of the right to own firearms. With locally appropriate restrictions.

That being said, pro-gun groups have a tough row to hoe.

There have been, how many, 4 multiple shootings in the past four weeks? That's tough.

Every time a shooting like that happens, the clamor for more gun restrictions gets louder.

The problem is, that no gun restriction would have prevented the NIU shooter from obtaining his firearms. Or most of the other shooters lately.

However, that won't stop the anti-gunners. It is nice to quote the 2nd amendment, but for the masses, I don't think that is going to cut it.

And let's face it, for the two thirds of the population that don't own firearms, they are kinda scary.

So, to me, this is an issue of perception. How do you, in the face of almost weekly mass shootings, make a case that more restriction is not needed?

I repeat, I am generally in favor of private ownership of firearms. I have owned in the past, but do not currently. But gun owners have a serious PR problem.

Seriously, what do you propose to do about it?

Give me some ideas...

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I left out 2/3 of the bill, as it was too large to post, but most notable here is that the list of rifles that a ban is now proposed on, includes many, many popular sporting arms. Also further reading in the bill, clearly states that it will be up to the discretion of the Attourney General to determine if a firearm has "sporting uses" and deemed not, may be added to the list of banned weapons.

Regardless of your views, your heads are in the sand if you're expecting that lawful gun owners will not be setting attendance records at the next election. And they won't be voting democrat.

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The hatred of guns by the left is getting out of hand for sure. We have got to keep the socialist duo out of the white house or gun rights will go the way of the gun rights in the UK.

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Actually that would be rep McCarthy, a democrat from NY who reintroduced a modified version of Clinton's last gun ban. While I wouldn't expect you all to sort through all the mumbo-jumbo, the most important parts are, the list of "banned firearms" is now 4+ times larger than the initial ban, and the new version includes a number of modifications that carry over to normal sporting arms.

I won't argue semantics over the 2nd A, or yours/mine personal views on guns, because Regardless of your take on either Obama or Clinton's views on guns, their voting histories are not looked at favorably by legal gun owners. I don't know who will eventually win the nomination on the democrat side, but I can assure you that many, many pro-gun and NRA members; democrat,republican and independants will be voting in force in this next election __________________________________________________________ HR 1022 IH 110th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 1022 To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES February 13, 2007 Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007'. SEC. 2. REINSTATEMENT FOR 10 YEARS OF REPEALED CRIMINAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES. (a) Reinstatement of Provisions Wholly Repealed- Paragraphs (30) and (31) of section 921(a), subsections (v) and (w) and Appendix A of section 922, and the last 2 sentences of section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as in effect just before the repeal made by section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, are hereby enacted into law. (b) Reinstatement of Provisions Partially Repealed- Section 924 of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- (1) in subsection (a)(1), by striking subparagraph (B) and inserting the following: (B) knowingly violates subsection (a)(4), (f), (k), (r), (v), or (w) of section 922;'; and (2) in subsection (c)(1)(B), by striking clause (i) and inserting the following: (i) is a short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, or semiautomatic assault weapon, the person shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 10 years; or'.

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS. (a) In General- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended to read as follows: (30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:

(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof: (i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; (ii) AR-10; (iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR; (iv) AR70; (v) Calico Liberty; (vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU; (vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC; (viii) Hi-Point Carbine; (ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1; (x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; (xi) M1 Carbine; (xii) Saiga; (xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800; (xiv) SKS with detachable magazine (xv) SLG 95; (xvi) SLR 95 or 96; (xvii) Steyr AUG; (xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14; (xix) Tavor; (xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or (xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz). (B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof: (i) Calico M-110; (ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3; (iii) Olympic Arms OA; (iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or (v) Uzi.

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elc: :"THE" question that I always revisit with those who are opposed to gun ownership or possession is why they feel that decent law abiding people do not have the natural right to defend the safety of themselves and their families? And, why?"

One question I'd like to ask is who are the leaders or people who are saying that law abiding people do not have a natural to defend the safety of themselves and their familes....with or without a gun?

Obama does not say this. I don't say this. Who does? Please be specific. Attach some names to your statement.

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The polarization of those for and against is evident and we know pretty much how everyone feels.

"THE" question that I always revisit with those who are opposed to gun ownership or possession is why they feel that decent law abiding people do not have the natural right to defend the safety of themselves and their families? And, why?

It is easy to side step this question, but even harder to answer it.

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JN, the department of justice has the statistics. You can go to Wiki and get the crime rates for US cities. You can go to the census data to get the demographics.

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JN, Many on the left want to associate our murder rate in the south to the "easy access". I was only pointing out the demographics. The fact that I have spent over 20 years in trauma centers in my career. The vast majority of the gunshots and stabbings were non white. It did not make any difference if the population was 50% white or 80% white. Having spoken to many pro 2nd amendment medical people from cities as separate as LA to DC, and the consensus is that the majority of the GSWs are 20 something non white males. To answer your other question, most criminals are not crazy, but either lazy or evil. We will treat anyone equally if the invade our home, attempt to carjack, or attempt to assault us. They will be met by deadly force. Removal of all criminals is not possible. Even adequate punishment for criminals is beyond the grasp of the left. therefore, protection is the only option for the majority of people.

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