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Oh, and allow me to preempt the knee jerk responses that gun nuts typically make:

1. "It's my constitutional right ....."

--No. Nowhere does the Constitution guarantee you unfettered rights to have any gun you desire, with no restriction on its purchase, possession, or use. Exactly zero of my suggestions run afoul of Heller v. D.C. So save it.

2. "That law wouldn't have prevented [insert example of some mass shooting event]."

--Just because a reform wouldn't prevent every single tragedy is no reason to reject a reform that would prevent or lessen the severity of others.

3. "We need to just enforce the laws already on the books."

--Duh. But the gun lobby has cowed lawmakers into making it harder for law enforcement to do just that. Many of my suggestions are geared toward better enforcement of existing laws.

4. "This is the first step on the slippery slope of grabbing my guns."

--This is the same paranoia that drove the nuts to make dire warnings that if Obama were elected he would confiscate every gun in America. He didn't even whisper such a thing, much less try to do anything like it. It would take a sea-change of constitutional amendment, public opinion, and political will to ever even start with some nonsense about banning all guns and confiscating them. I, for one, wouldn't support such.

5. "Bad guys would find a way around that law."

--Of course a determined person can evade any law, but that's no reason not to have the law in the first place. That's like saying we shouldn't have laws against bank robbery or tax evasion because people will always find a way to break those laws. Stupid.

If anyone has any objections to the ideas I suggested, which don't fall into one of those five categories of stupid, I'd be glad to hear them.

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Continued:

What would be so terrible about making gun ownership subject to the same sort of responsibility laws we have for operating a motor vehicle? Basic proficiency testing, licensing, and perhaps even insurance requirements. Maybe make it a requirement to promptly report any lost or stolen firearm, so that any crime committed with a stolen gun is more easily traceable.

Some laws to reduce straw-man purchases of guns would help, but the paranoid nuts are terrified of that. So, we coddle their paranoia with a system that makes it easy for a straw man to buy numerous guns on a daily basis, sell them privately to bad guys, and go back to do it again tomorrow.

Why not have some simple reporting requirement for the private sale of a gun, that could be checked against a national database of convicted felons who are legally prohibited from having guns? It would take about 60 seconds for a law-biding seller to copy basic info from a law-abiding purchaser's ID onto a form and send it in, either on paper or online.

I have mixed feelings about using taxation to discourage harmful behaviors, but we have a history of doing so in other areas (e.g., cigarette taxes). What would be wrong with heavily taxing ammo? It wouldn't have much effect on a homeowner who just wanted to keep a loaded gun for defense against a home invader, but it would deter some nuts from accumulating hundreds or thousands of rounds.

Better information always makes better policy possible. The gun lobby has successfully discouraged statistical and analytical studies of gun violence at the national level. We should reverse that and fund research into the causes and incidence of gun violence just like we do for other public health concerns.

We have a hodgepodge of laws against certain convicted felons possessing guns. We need a better, clearer, more consistent approach to keeping guns out of the hands of people who have committed felonies that correlate with gun violence. I would make restoration of gun rights conditioned on completion of sentence and probation, and some period of time staying out of trouble after sentence completion.

And, of course, the bugaboo: mental health. This is where better studies would really help. Intuition and common sense tell me that some behaviors short of committing a felony don't bode well for those people having unfettered access to guns: diagnosed schizophrenia, sociopathic disorders, anger-management problems like road rage and domestic violence, etc. We should develop an evidence-based list of things that should at least trigger more scrutiny before some people pass background checks for buying a gun.

I don't have any expertise in this and am just spit balling. But it doesn't take an expert to know that we have far more gun deaths in this country than any peer country, by far. Shouldn't we be trying to do whatever we can to change that?

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"What "gun" laws would you enact to prevent a person from committing mass killings?"

That's a legitimate question, and the answer is that no law is going to absolutely prevent mass killings. For one thing, I agree that a violent culture contributes to the problem not only of mass killings, but everyday garden-variety killings. There's no single law that would make those disappear overnight. But that's not an excuse for inaction.

Here are some thoughts in response to your question, which might make shootings of all kinds less lethal and/or less frequent:

Why does anyone legitimately need 30-round magazines? Yeah, I know that even an old-fashioned 6-shot revolver and a few speedloaders in the right (or wrong) hands can kill a lot, but why make it so easy to mow down tightly-packed crowds of humans in arenas or schools or movie theaters? If a law-abiding person can't take down a feral hog or home intruder with fewer than 10 rounds, he prolly is too inept to be firing a gun in the first place.

And why should it be legal to have assault-style semi-autos that are so easily convertible into auto?

And what's wrong with closing loopholes in background check requirements, to at least make it harder for bad guys to buy guns?

I've never been in favor of banning guns or confiscating them. But I do favor anything that would promote responsible gun ownership by law-abiders, and making it harder for law-breakers and dangerous people to arm themselves.

/tbc

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Oh, and I should add that Robert Bork's view of 2A was exactly the same as mine. But that was before the NRA corrupted conservative logic on this issue.

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"Guns are not a constitutional right for home defense, they are not a constitutional right for hunting, they are a constitutional right as a defense against a tyrannical government."

Spot on, 2tryin. It's refreshing to see a conservative who actually has some understanding of 2A. Of course (as you're probably aware) Scalia's opinion in Heller v D.C. was exactly opposite yours and mine. He found a constitutional right to have a non-triggerlocked handgun in the home for self defense, even though the text of 2A says no such thing. And he danced around the actual text that stated the purpose and intent of 2A (to protect state and local militias from being disarmed by a standing national army bent on tyranny). So much for the "textualist" approach to constitutional issues.

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Fred,

Continue giving Donnie Smallhands' cock that tonguebath. You've already said that you will defend Trump on any and all facts that prove he's lying or wrong. So, it's completely futile having an honest talk or debate because of your loyalty.

You remind me of a less intelligent male version of Kellyanne Conway. Both are delusional as fuck, both are clearly uneducated. At least she's getting paid nicely to lie for our mentally ill, pathological lying president. You're just a groupie fan on a swingsite, defending a sexual predator who won only 46% of the vote.

Claim you went to some fancy Nancy pants private school, but to no avail. You may have attended but did not get educated.

Lots of pro athletes have graduated from universities unable to write or speak articulately. Fred, you're not very smart nor worth attempting to debate.

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Lets talk about deadly cross bows, and they are silent.

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8inch hit the nail on the head. Making single shot guns are so easy anyone can do that in their garage. Bolt action takes a little more skill.

The way to end the use of all guns is to ban the amno, now that is hard to make. and hard to smuggle.

The point is that guns keep us all very safe and prevent home invasions. Without guns in the hands of the people what would stop a home invasion by a gang of thugs?

Open carry keeps the bad guys away from you and your family.

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8- I know your dense but now you got my point. The 2nd amendment will never be ended. You can make all the laws you want and nut jobs with a gun will always cause problems. If not a gun then they will use some other form of weapon.

You trying to make this hard with what you think is your intellect.

It's an age old problem. More laws have not stopped gun violence so far so what will stop it in your expert opinion?

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Amazing... such simple minded crap coming from a so-called intellectual. The dim party is in deep shit.

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