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Well, it happened again. 6 people shot at a FedEx distribution center in GA and the coward killed himself. Why can't these assholes stand up and let the families stand a firing squad and kill the bastard. Hmmmmm, wonder if he bought the guns he had legally, just like in CO, CT and a few other places we choose to have mass shooting of innocent victims.

Well that's OK the Gov. in GA signed a law that says anybody and everybody can carry a gun where ever they want to. Way to go Gov. I guess this idiot couldn't wait to July 1. Guess my package won't make it before 10:30 in the morning.

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Once again, the far right loons have decided to act like children while debating gun violence and means to prevent it. Effectively shutting down the reasonable minded debate about ensuring that weapons do not find their way into the hands of the mentally ill, and addressing the core reason for the majority of weapon deaths.

Yes, Humans have always used sticks and stones to kill one another and just about everything else. However poverty related violence has effectively trapped many in communities which exist in such horrific states, only because there are no jobs.

Save the bullshit line about socialism causing the jobs to flee the US, it is bull shit, because those very jobs fled to socialist or communist nations. While major soicalist nations like those of Europe retain the majority of their jobs. The problem isn't with socialism, it is with run away capitalism which is allowed to make profit on damaging the US economy, when a companies value on the market rises when it finds a cheaper slave market (third world nation) to make its products.

Now you can argue that by opening these factories in the third world, your aim is to improve their standard of living, while lowering our own just a bit and thus enabling those third world nations to buy our goods and services which were previouslly unobtainable by their economic status. It is a sound slid rule idea, until you look at who's wages have increased and who's has plumpited in relation to the rise in the cost of living.

CEO's use to make only 48 times the worker pay, now they make 300 plus times their own workers pay. This says nothing for the investors who aren't there to grow companies, only rape and pillage the company until there is nothing left and hope they can escape its lost value before everyone is left holding a hot potato.

Economics is the single leading cause of all violence, it even trumps religion, as religious radicals are born only in nations which are poor and have no prospects for a future. (See Middle east, see Germany pre-Nazi uprise, see Russia, pre-Communist uprising, See US Vagina coal miner rebellion.) While only the middle east is a religion driven poverty case, you see that in all cases, poverty drove the masses to extremes.

Street gangs are the same, they are a way to adapt to the poverty and become violent because one must protect their territory.

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You conclude that restrictive gun laws cause more gun violence, because Chicago has extensive gun laws yet it has a high rate of gun violence. 

The same kind of "logic" would support a conclusion that levees cause floods, because New Orleans has extensive levees yet it also has a high rate of flooding. 

It drives me nuts when people use illogic to draw simplistic conclusions about complex issues with multivariate causes. 

Btw, my impatience with simple-minded illogic extends to the other side of the gun debate too. Proponents of gun laws often pick out a period of declining gun violence after enactment of some gun law, as proof that the law reduced gun violence. But they don't always consider other factors, such as declines in general crime rates in broader areas beyond the effect of the particular gun law. 

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Fun_ahoy: So you are stating that Chicago only enacted gun laws because that portion of the the country was already more prone to gun violence? Must be those large bodies of water near by, the high humidity causes it.

It couldn't be that criminals feel pretty safe since the odds are very few people can shoot back. I mean, lets look for other patterns here, phase of the moon, strength of the tides at that latitude, or --yes-- ice cream sales.

Hell if I was a criminal planning on robbing a convenience store I would rather do it somewhere like Chicago. Someone might pop out of a bathroom and ruin your whole day in some of the wilder parts of the country.

If you are ever in a situation hopefully there is a cop handy because somehow I don't think your 911 call will be answered in time to matter. As for your odds? Well thats pretty good which is why you are here with your pie-in-the-sky BS.

How did we turn into a nation of candy asses?

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Could it be that we just aren't punishing those who possess or use firearms illegally severely enough. Maybe if we quite spending so many resources carrying out surveillance on garden stores to see who buying hydroponic equipment and carrying out raids on little old ladies who just wants to grow her tomatoes indoors or busting adult hookers trying to make a little cash, we could do something about gun violence.

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So now I'm simple-minded, too ... :) It's funny, but name-calling and ranting are usually what happen when the lefties on this issue are confronted with facts and logic. Next, I'll somehow be a racist ...

And what is that? An upside-down, inverse correlation with some left-handed english on it? Here I am again with my simple mind unable to comprehend the wisdom or function of it all. So, gun violence was bad, and restrictions were enacted to curb it. How does it now compare to when the restrictive policies began? Are the criminals obeying all those laws? Are they being hindered by all the paperwork costs, the ammo price increases, and so forth? Please use small words in your answers ...

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Good Point, Fun. I wonder if there is correlation to the fact that Fire Arms applications are currently swamping the ATF, up from 3.1 million registrations in 2004 to 8.6 million in 2012? Could it be that all the fuss made by Gun Haters is causing Gun Lovers to take steps they perceive as cautious self protection? Or because ice cream sales went up during the same period? Even more scary was the registration of 512,790 machine guns in 2012!

Now, what I'd like to see is a correlation between gun crime and gun registration! Maybe the ATF will begin putting that out soon.

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"Look at Chicago for example. They have tough (unconstitutional) gun laws and still experience one (if not the highest) levels of gun violence in the country."

It's always surprising that supposedly intelligent people identify only two correlated variables in a complex scenario and then conclude that one of those variables causes the other. Correlation and causation are not the same things. Fluctuations in ice cream sales and domestic violence are closely correlated, but it's doubtful either one causes the other (and more likely that a third variable, higher temperatures, is a major cause of both.)

Even if one variable does cause another, do these people ever consider that the causation works in the opposite direction? That is, does it ever occur to them that cities, states, or countries already prone to gun violence might have adopted restrictions aimed at reducing such violence? Simple-minded approaches to the gun control debate abound, on both sides of the issue. 

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The trick, Christoff, is to ignore Rdy's nastiness and crudeness. That way you won't be aggravated at him. You'll then be able to read what he tries to say. After that, no doubt you will decide that he, like Bobbie, are a tad thick, stopped learning a long time ago, and thus have become prejudiced, and are quickly enraged when opposed with clear thinking. What follows is then an example of loss of ability to draw reasoned conclusions based on unbiased review of the data. Happens a lot these days. Give them both a break.

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Oh, and toomuchfun52, you mentioned something that I stumbled upon a couple years ago. There is a direct correlation between the degree of restrictive gun control laws and gun violence. The states that severely restrict gun ownership or the right to carry concealed have the highest rates of gun violence, for the most part. Pretty amazing, I thought. And the gun violence rates in individual cities that restrict these rights are even more clearly affected negatively. Washington, D.C. being another excellent example. It's not good when only the crooks & the cops are carrying guns around!

And now, for a few cliches. Sorry, but I love 'em :) - I carry a gun because a cop would be too heavy. The only thing that'll stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. OK. Enough preaching to the choir. Have a nice weekend.

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