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I guess it's plain to see that all of you gun crazed Americans care more about how many guns you can stash in your back pocket then the innocent people and families that have to suffer from the gun violence.

"WHAT A COUNTRY"

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Ready2Play,

Did you ever think that in a Nation of over 300 Million people that these kind of things will happen at greater frequency than they did when there were only 200 million people living in the United States?

Clearly life is not Risk Free.

We have a Second Amendment for a reason, to prevent Tyranny.

While it is difficult to "Win" against a modern standing Army, just look what the primitive, illiterate, savages are doing to us in Iraq and Afghanistan. The costs to us, of making them see the benefits of Democracy and Taliban Free are astronomical and without benefit to us.

Can you imagine what would happen if a Corrupt Politician took over the Government and imposed their will on the American People. Surely they would have a much easier time of doing so without the Second Amendment. With the Second Amendment the Tyrannical and Corrupt would have a much more difficult time of getting their way without destroying what they sought to steal. Consent of the Governed is what the Second Amendment ensures.

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This should be a wtf. If you want to "control guns" then change the fucking second amendment. There is a way to do that. The idea that the foundational laws of our country should just be redefined and "evolved" is a bunch of horse shit.

Right now if you want a gun you can have one. The right to keep and bear arms.

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glad to see this weekend that ammo prices are coming down

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Rdy2, Since you have time to post these news bits for us, I wonder if you can do us a favor ? according to the OP there are/were 270 million guns in the US per a 2007 survey. Could you look up how many crimes/deaths involved guns in a 1 yr period. Then divide that number by 270million I have no idea how this will work out but I think it will be interesting to see just want percentage of the guns actually are involved in a crime. So get back to un on this will ya?

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Well, it happened again. 6 people shot at a FedEx distribution center in GA and the coward killed himself. Why can't these assholes stand up and let the families stand a firing squad and kill the bastard. Hmmmmm, wonder if he bought the guns he had legally, just like in CO, CT and a few other places we choose to have mass shooting of innocent victims.

Well that's OK the Gov. in GA signed a law that says anybody and everybody can carry a gun where ever they want to. Way to go Gov. I guess this idiot couldn't wait to July 1. Guess my package won't make it before 10:30 in the morning.

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Once again, the far right loons have decided to act like children while debating gun violence and means to prevent it. Effectively shutting down the reasonable minded debate about ensuring that weapons do not find their way into the hands of the mentally ill, and addressing the core reason for the majority of weapon deaths.

Yes, Humans have always used sticks and stones to kill one another and just about everything else. However poverty related violence has effectively trapped many in communities which exist in such horrific states, only because there are no jobs.

Save the bullshit line about socialism causing the jobs to flee the US, it is bull shit, because those very jobs fled to socialist or communist nations. While major soicalist nations like those of Europe retain the majority of their jobs. The problem isn't with socialism, it is with run away capitalism which is allowed to make profit on damaging the US economy, when a companies value on the market rises when it finds a cheaper slave market (third world nation) to make its products.

Now you can argue that by opening these factories in the third world, your aim is to improve their standard of living, while lowering our own just a bit and thus enabling those third world nations to buy our goods and services which were previouslly unobtainable by their economic status. It is a sound slid rule idea, until you look at who's wages have increased and who's has plumpited in relation to the rise in the cost of living.

CEO's use to make only 48 times the worker pay, now they make 300 plus times their own workers pay. This says nothing for the investors who aren't there to grow companies, only rape and pillage the company until there is nothing left and hope they can escape its lost value before everyone is left holding a hot potato.

Economics is the single leading cause of all violence, it even trumps religion, as religious radicals are born only in nations which are poor and have no prospects for a future. (See Middle east, see Germany pre-Nazi uprise, see Russia, pre-Communist uprising, See US Vagina coal miner rebellion.) While only the middle east is a religion driven poverty case, you see that in all cases, poverty drove the masses to extremes.

Street gangs are the same, they are a way to adapt to the poverty and become violent because one must protect their territory.

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You conclude that restrictive gun laws cause more gun violence, because Chicago has extensive gun laws yet it has a high rate of gun violence. 

The same kind of "logic" would support a conclusion that levees cause floods, because New Orleans has extensive levees yet it also has a high rate of flooding. 

It drives me nuts when people use illogic to draw simplistic conclusions about complex issues with multivariate causes. 

Btw, my impatience with simple-minded illogic extends to the other side of the gun debate too. Proponents of gun laws often pick out a period of declining gun violence after enactment of some gun law, as proof that the law reduced gun violence. But they don't always consider other factors, such as declines in general crime rates in broader areas beyond the effect of the particular gun law. 

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Fun_ahoy: So you are stating that Chicago only enacted gun laws because that portion of the the country was already more prone to gun violence? Must be those large bodies of water near by, the high humidity causes it.

It couldn't be that criminals feel pretty safe since the odds are very few people can shoot back. I mean, lets look for other patterns here, phase of the moon, strength of the tides at that latitude, or --yes-- ice cream sales.

Hell if I was a criminal planning on robbing a convenience store I would rather do it somewhere like Chicago. Someone might pop out of a bathroom and ruin your whole day in some of the wilder parts of the country.

If you are ever in a situation hopefully there is a cop handy because somehow I don't think your 911 call will be answered in time to matter. As for your odds? Well thats pretty good which is why you are here with your pie-in-the-sky BS.

How did we turn into a nation of candy asses?

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Could it be that we just aren't punishing those who possess or use firearms illegally severely enough. Maybe if we quite spending so many resources carrying out surveillance on garden stores to see who buying hydroponic equipment and carrying out raids on little old ladies who just wants to grow her tomatoes indoors or busting adult hookers trying to make a little cash, we could do something about gun violence.

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