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Andrew, I don't know you personally, but I do know you.

Answer just one question truthfully. Would you feel the same way about guns and the never ending gun violence if it was your 14 year old son and your father who was killed in Kansas City by a GUNMAN. Or, what about the Newtown killing of innocent children, would you feel the same way of your child was killed in those killings. What about Colorado how would you feel if you daughter was out with her girlfriends for a night at the movies.

You seem to want to see anyone kill Law Enforcement officers and I don't know why. Maybe if you would think about the gun violence, you would be able to understand how it's killing our society. Now I know you will rant and rave, but I know you will not answer the question truthfully.

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Andrew:

Your rant can be boiled down to your hate of the left and women having more education than you do.

Most gun related deaths occur with relation to gang violence or poverty related crimes. Save the rebutles about these criminals being lazy, save the insults against the welfare recipients, and save the bull crap about freedom. Without economic equality, too few have the free time to enjoy fire arms.

That is why police buy back programs are so popular. People are able to sell guns for money. Factory workers do not take more than one weekend to go shooting, after which they are fighting for overtime... Just to pay their debts. Many unions lost paid vacation because these workers took those days and worked on their vacation, so to have extra money come Christmas or simply to make ends meet.

So, if you want to protect your guns, solve the poverty issue. Stop making excuses, stop bitching a out losing your freedoms that you value, because it won't stop until there are no more freedoms or the poverty issue is resolved.

As for your dislike of educated women? Tough shit. They gained power and did so by filling a void men wouldn't fill. The soft hand jobs. Now they have control over the heart and mind of the public, and because those mainly from the political right keep saying offensive things against women... Te public gives the opinions of these women more weight.

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IMO a few people being killed here and there by a nut with a gun doesn't justify transfering control of all weapons to the state. It's the price of freedom. Deal with it, because you're not taking away my freedom with any god damn election. America is a republic, not a democracy. Learn the difference.

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."-Thomas Jefferson

This is actually a translation of a Latin phrase that Thomas Jefferson used: Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. It has also been translated as, "I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude."

Here is the sentence in context:

"Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it's evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." - Jefferson to James Madison, January 30, 1787[1]

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My favorite blogger, Jack Donovan.

No One Wants Crazy People To Have Guns, But Who Decides Who Is Crazy?

It sounds like a common sense measure.

Keep guns out of the hands of people who are “unstable.”

You don’t want people who might “snap” to have access to an arsenal, right?

To anyone who opposes tighter restrictions on gun sales, especially to those deemed “mentally ill,” police state progressives will respond:

“So you want crazy people to have free access to guns?”

Well, no. Of course not. No one wants some freak who hears voices and thinks the neighbor’s dog is the Devil to be sitting at his windowsill rubbing himself as he moves a holographic reticle over the bodies of strangers taking a walk in the park.

The problem isn’t whether or not lunatics should be able to go on wild-eyed, no-questions-asked shopping sprees at the local gun shop, giddily fondling armor piercing rounds and drooling all over high capacity magazines.

The problem is: who decides who is a nut?

The answer, unfortunately, is politically progressive women.

According to a 2011 article released by the American Psychological Association, the new “experts” in psychology—people who have earned PhDs—are now over 60% women in every area of study but cognitive psychology. There are dramatically more female PhDs in developmental, family, clinical, counseling and “social and personality” fields.

What’s more, these women and many of their male counterparts overwhelmingly belong to the same political demographic that wants to ban or reduce access to firearms for everyone. As many as 80% of psychology professors identify as Democrats or politically “liberal.” In a New York Times article, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt argued that social psychologists have become a “tribal-moral community.”

Read the full post here if you're interested...

jack-donovan. com/axis/2013/04/no-one-wants-crazy-people-to-have-guns-but-who-decides-who-is-crazy/

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Keep in mind, gang related violence, street related violence, passon of the moment violence, and mental illness violence are different from each other and so to are the means that the mentally disturbed or the gang member obtains their weapons.

A ban on guns will only decrease lawfully owned weapons from being used by mentally disturbed individuals, however it will only increase their weapons street value and create a new market in Mexico.

Mental health screenings will help catch the mentally disturbed, it will not catch illegal gun owners, such as drug gang members. Addressing the reasons these gangs exist, will do more to stop street violence and gun related death, than ten laws passed to make gun ownership more difficult.

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WOW! Kansas City has been in the news this last week with a GUNMAN killing 3 people just because he hates Jews and they've arrested a young black man for 21 highway shooting. There still are another group of shooting that are thought to be copy cats.

As more and more shootings and killings continue to plague our country, our states and our communities. It's time for all of us to come together and create a policy to identify those that have a propensity to do killing with guns. No need to go on the defensive, but a policy that we all can be hopeful will decrease the use of guns as a mass murder weapon.

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It depends on how they own the guns, as their individual property, or as the merchendise for their business. Many of the dealers with an FFL will also have their own stuff for sale, and they don't do background checks on those. At every show I've been to there are always a few guys that bought a table to sell their private stuff, and they don't have to do a check. The one guy who asked to see my ID first was against illegal immigrants and that's the only reason he asked. I got 12g side by side double barrel from him.

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I'll have to look at the Ares Armor story later.

But, guns purchased from a gun show with no ID- if the sellers were not FFL holders, they may not have needed to do any paperwork. Kind of strange that someone with a booth at a gun show is not an FFL holder. Personally, I wouldn't buy from

Beware- I heard of someone who purchased a Remington rifle at a gun show. 2 years later he took it to a gunsmith to have some work done. A check of the SN and it turns out it was on a list of stolen guns. He never got the rifle back.

I don't know if he was investigated about stealing it, or possessing a stolen gun or not.

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Criminals who trespass on private property to violate multiple constitutional amendments should be put down permanently like the filthy pigs that they are.

Feds raid gun parts stores despite court order

SAN DIEGO – With a search warrant in hand, federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confiscated computers, customer lists and the questionable polymer 80 percent lower receivers from four Ares Armor store locations throughout San Diego County over the weekend. “There were women and children inside our retail establishment when the (ATF) agents came in with guns drawn,” said Ares Armor Executive Officer Dimitrios Karras. “They came into our firearms manufacturing facility saying, ‘Arms up!’ like they were invading Iraq.” The raid happened three days after Ares owner was granted a temporary restraining by a judge to stop ATF agents from searching their stores. The ATF confirmed they were investigating the stores for federal firearm violations stemming from the sale of a new plastic version of the 80 percent lowers, which gun enthusiast use to build their own AR-15 rifles. Building a rifle with specific versions of the 80 percent receivers is legal. The polymer lower receiver appears to be manufactured differently with two parts, making them a firearm and illegal sell, according to the ATF. “We did ask the court to clarify if these things were firearms or not,” said Karras. “We did ask for protection as this gets resolved within the court system.” Karras said they had their polymer lower receivers locked in a closet ready to turn over to the ATF since Wednesday. He was more concerned about the federal agents taking lists of his customers’ information. “If anybody is a criminal organization that should be investigated, I think they should look in the mirror. We gave them a black eye publicly,” Karras said. “They tried to do an underhanded deal with us. They said, ‘Hey hush, hush. Keep it secret and nobody’s going to know that we took the customer list from you. Nobody’s going to know we took this from you.’” The investigation has some customers nervous about their right to bear arms. “I’m on that list, and I’m waiting for the knock on the door to tell me they are here to remove my second amendment rights,” one customer told Fox 5.

fox5sandiego. com/2014/03/17/feds-raid-gun-parts-stores-despite-court-order/#ixzz2wPQ98hGv

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About half of mine were bought with a background check, the other half from some guy at a gun show. Only one of those guys asked to see my ID before the sale. I love America, goddammit!

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