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TOPIC: Former Sen Jesse Helms dies
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former U.S. Sen. Jesse Helms, a North Carolina Republican who became an icon to conservatives, died Friday at the age of 86, a senior congressional source said.

Good Riddance...

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LJB(or LBJ) not running for a second term. And he got us into the mess. He left his mess for the next president....Sounds familiar?

yeah, in '68....

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LQQK andTB, I agree with both of you. The reason I just mentioned LBJ was that it was an answer to praise heaped on LBJ by Sapp. Also, if you look at history of wars in Asia between Orientals and Occidentals, The only time we round eyes have ever won, was by using Nuclear Weapons! I do believe that numerous North Vietnamese have said that the failure of the Tet offensive weakened them significantly. The Major bombing offensives did bring the North to the table in Paris. Could we have used the same methods such as the fire bombings of Tokyo and Dresden to have brought down the North Vietnamese? Most likely, but the 1960s was a different world from the 1940s, and neither president was willing to face the criticism or world out cry. We are a people of immediate gratification, where as Asians have the patience to wait us out.

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A mass invasion of North Viet Nam would have been the only answer and regime change other wise this war was the reason for LJB not running for a second term. And he got us into the mess. He left his mess for the next president....Sounds familiar?

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A guerrilla war only ends when the guerrillas win.

They have the time to wait out the occupiers. They have the will to wait out the occupiers. You would if it was your country. What makes you think they are any different?

We could have bombed Vietnam into the stone age...and they still would have won.

Other than the British in Malaysia, there has never been a successful counter insurgency operation.

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LBJ is also the one most responsible for the loss of 58,000 Americans in Vietnam . Had he allowed GENERALS to select targets and destroy the entire infrastructure of North Vietnam, we could have reduced their will to fight. His great society program set the stage for a people to become dependent on the government. The whole world does not revolve around the civil rights act.

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The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%) Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%) Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%) Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%) The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor) Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas) Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure) Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure) It appears southern repubs were not alone.

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Freedom of imformation act...White House tapes 1964 look them up. They are all there for you to hear. He was a good old boy and the majority who voted against legislation were southern Democrates.

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Lucky:

LBJ was responsible for the murder of MLK Jr??????? Any proof for that charge?

LBJ, as president, presided over a Whtie House that initiated and helped get past two of the most significant pieces of legislation in the history of the Civil Rights in America: the 1964 Civil Rights law and the 1965 Voting Rights act.

Ronald Reagan, Goldwater, and GHW Bush all voiced opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights legislation. Dick Cheney and MLK Jr. voting against a holiday to honor MLK Jr.

LBJ comes out looking a lot better on Civil rights issues than Reagan, GHW Bush and Jesse Helms.

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TBR: That is not what I said...

Most historians, and the general public, tend to think that the good they did outweighs the bad...

Really? Not in my opinion. Since when does the good they do out weigh the bad. Pussy He was a whore and his legacy of being the murderer of Marilyn Monroe is his only legacy. Beside turning his back on the Cuban People.

LBJ was a clown and a southern good ole boy. White house tapes look them up. And was responsible for the for the murder of Martin Luther King. HE DIDNT WRITE THE CIVIL RIGHT BILL!!!! he signed it. It was written by bipartisan senators. and was passed over whelming on the first vote. Those voting no in the Majority were Southern democrats!!!!!

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It's been going bad for a while. Gangs Crime is up drastically. Murders, rapes, violent crime. A few blocks from where we lived a mom ( in her 20's) was in her backyard playing with her kids when 3 men jumped her fence and beat her and raped her in front of her kids. We moved soon after that. property taxes have gone through the roof. schools are getting worse every year. The system says there is not enough money for books but they can afford to keep the former superintendant as a consultant for 6 figures a year. After they fired him for draining the system dry. Corrupt politicians (especially the city council), cops and judges

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