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Land lines have been transmitted using various technologies. The following from just one article were, have or is currently used:

Open Wire Carrier - removed in 1967

Coax Cable - used for cross country communication - abandoned in place

Microwave Towers - developed in the 40's & 50's - used for the most part until cell phones and fiberoptics, currently remaining towers mostly used for cell phones. This is the mode I was thinking of reading the posts

Satellites - used mainly for global transmissions as there is a time delay bouncing off a satellite 22,000 miles up

Fiberoptics - implemented in the 1980's and currently the in use technology

So the mainstay in to the 1980's prior to Fiberoptics was Microwaving around the country which would not be secure in my opinion unless encrypted

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That's a bit scary, since I would figure that very few communications these days will stay on physical lines all the way to the destination. At some point, it is cheaper to shoot it up to a satellite, even for land line long distance.

So a letter might be safer, but much slower. Encryption might work, but I'm sure the NSA codebreakers have figured out anything that I could acquire. Pretty much leaves some kind of word substitution code, but that gets ugly, too.

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Sens... That was an interesting comment. Airwaves is a public forum - I didn't know that. It does not infringe the right of privacy.

Excellent post. Almost like going back to college. The only law I took was business law.

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This past weekend on one of the political cable channels (I think one of the C-SPAN's) I listened to a group of law professors from several universities discuss this issue. I was mildly surprised with their take and interpretation of case law and the constitution.

The laws against eavesdropping were all written based on tangible closed material i.e., landlines, wires, cables etc. These professors referred to recent court documents that reflect that all "eavesdropping" being challenged by the ACLU is via a signal i.e., cell phones or digital home phones. The old analog signals primarily transmitted through landlines (wires) is not the issue. These professors made what I thought was a good point that the airwaves are considered by both our Congress and in recent rulings by the Supreme Court to be "public airwaves". Since that is the case investigators listening to the open airwaves should not be considered a violation of anyone's reasonable right to privacy. Your home, your car, your office are all tangible and a reasonable expectation of privacy is expected. The airwaves have no more an expectation to privacy then you do if sitting in a coffee shop discussing something personal at your table, but can be easily overheard at the surrounding tables.

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hey, just today, I had to get some old court records from 12 years ago for my bank. 5 minutes and 35 dollars I had the records on the internet.

If the Govt wants to listen into my phone calls they're going to be bored. I'm usually talking to friends about sports. Unless it's business calls then it's about stocks.

Most people don't understand how NSA works, they aren't listening to every call, they are listening for patterns and words. If you're getting alot of calls from say syria and the words "bomb, gun and jihad" are in the calls the computers are going to pick that up and scurtinize them.

They are listening to your sex calls.

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I agree, in today's world, if someone really wants information about you, they can get it. Not only the government, but pretty much anyone.

Pluses and minuses to everything.

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well first off they want to track calls coming in from other countries to the united states. I have no problem with that. Secondly do you know how easy it is to listen in on cell phone conversations? Don't say anything ona cell phone that you dont want the world to hear.

If you are not an american citizen you are not protected by our constitution. I say let echelon listen. I promise you they are doing it anyway.

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If you are linked to terrorism then all bets are off...no warrant needed

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Like any power that we give to government, it has the potential to be misused.

This is what I believe in"

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

So, if you want to come into my house to look around, if you want to listen to my phone calls or intercept my internet traffic, get a warrant.

This is probably the most eroded of our constitutional protections, going all the way back through the start of the war on drugs. The last six presidents (at least) have been complicit.

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Keep and expand FISA!

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