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The PolitiFact scorecard has Obama making 4 half-truths, nothing worse. Romney has one "mostly false" and 2 "pants on fire" lies.

They gave Mitt a "mostly true" for saying he balanced the budget of the SLC Olympics. They also note -- "... But that doesn’t tell the whole story, since he helped secure at least $400 million — and possibly up to $1.5 billion — in government funding to make the Olympics function that is not included in the balance sheet he’s touting. ..."

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Romney also claimed, "the president began what I have called an apology tour, of going to various nations in the Middle East and criticizing America." We've repeatedly rated versions of this claim from Romney, including at the Oct. 16 presidential debate. A review of Obama’s foreign travels and remarks during his early presidency showed no evidence to support such a blunt and disparaging claim. (In later years, we found two formal apologies, but they were not at the start of his presidency and not part of a tour.) While Obama's speeches contained some criticisms of past U.S. actions, he typically combined those passages with praise for the United States and its ideals, and he frequently mentioned how other countries had erred as well. We found not a single, full-throated apology in the bunch. Calling those remarks "an apology tour" is a ridiculous charge. We rated his statement Pants on Fire.

There it is gents. Have at it...

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Military and diplomatic strength

Romney said he would invest in the military, noting that "our Navy is smaller now than at any time since 1917," and "our Air Force is older and smaller than at any time since it was founded in 1947." He's previously made a similar claim about the Navy and Air Force, but added that the nation was at risk of losing its military superiority as a result. Judging by the numbers alone, Romney was close to accurate. In recent years, the number of Navy and Air Force assets has sunk to levels not seen in decades, although the number of ships has risen slightly under Obama. However, a wide range of experts told us it’s wrong to assume that a decline in the number of ships or aircraft automatically means a weaker military. Quite the contrary: The United States is the world’s unquestioned military leader today, not just because of the number of ships and aircraft in its arsenal but also because each is stocked with top-of-the-line technology and highly trained personnel. When we evaluated Romney's earlier statement that included a claim about the military's strength, we rated it Pants on Fire.

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Obama also claimed, "veterans’ unemployment is actually now lower than (the) general population. It was higher when I came into office." Whether you’re talking about all veterans or just those who served after 9/11, Obama gets one number right but one number wrong. So we rate his claim Half True.

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Obama told Romney, "You are familiar with jobs being shipped overseas because you invested in companies that were shipping jobs overseas." A related Obama TV ad claims that Romney's private equity firm invested in companies that were "pioneers in outsourcing U.S. jobs to low-wage countries." As the founder of Bain Capital, Romney assembled a team that looked to make high returns. One strategy was to invest in companies that played off the trend in outsourcing. We found little evidence that the particular firms were "pioneers in outsourcing" (a phrase Obama didn't use at the debate) and rated the ad's claim Half True.

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Romney said he balanced the budget of the Salt Lake City Olympics, claiming, "I went to the Olympics that was out of balance, and we got it on balance." It’s correct that Romney more than balanced the the Salt Lake Organizing Committee’s budget. But that doesn’t tell the whole story, since he helped secure at least $400 million — and possibly up to $1.5 billion — in government funding to make the Olympics function that is not included in the balance sheet he’s touting. The statement is accurate but needs clarification or additional information. So we rated Romney’s claim Mostly True.

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The president countered that Romney's budget math doesn't work, noting Romney "wants to spend another $2 trillion on military spending that our military is not asking for." In the first presidential debate, Obama made a nearly identical claim. We looked at Romney's budget proposal and found the number was accurate. We didn't find reports that top brass was asking for the money. We rated Obama's statement True.

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Romney also claimed, "The president said by now we'd be a 5.4 percent unemployment." We've rated a similar claim in a TV ad from American Crossroads, that "this is what President Obama said the jobless rate would be if we passed the stimulus: 5.6 percent." But we found that's a stretch. In the evidence the group provided, Obama didn’t mention that statistic. Rather, he introduced "projections" that included a chart showing the jobless rate falling to about 5.6 percent under a recovery plan. The report highlighted the estimates’ "significant margins of error" and high uncertainty due to a recession that was "unusual both in its fundamental causes and its severity." The economy was, in fact, much worse than economists knew. The chart is now infamous, but it was never pitched as a promise. We rated the ad's statement Mostly False.

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Economy

Romney kicked off a round of discussion about the budget, economy and jobs, calling debt a threat to national security.

He said, "You can't have kids coming out of college, half of them can't find a job today, or a job that's commensurate with their college degree." We've previously checked his statement that, "Fifty percent of kids coming out of school can't get a job." In that version, he missed a key qualifier — according to the research, about a quarter of recent college grads literally can’t find a job, while another quarter have found a job, but one that doesn’t require a college degree. We rated his previous claim Mostly True.

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China

Obama claimed, "We had a tire case in which (China was) flooding us with … cheap Chinese tires. And we put a stop to it and as a consequence saved jobs throughout America. I have to say that Gov. Romney criticized me for being too tough in that tire case." An Obama TV ad made a similar case, saying that Chinese tire imports threatened 1,000 American jobs, so Obama "stood up to China and protected American workers. Mitt Romney attacked Obama's decision." Obama’s ad was accurate in stating that the president imposed trade sanctions against China in an effort to protect American workers and "Mitt Romney attacked Obama's decision." But did the tariffs work? That’s less clear. Romney said the result was "bad for our workers," and there are studies that back him up. Even with tire-making jobs that were saved, one analysis found that the higher price of tires depressed spending on other retail, and ultimately led to a loss in retail jobs. We rated the ad's claim Mostly True.

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