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TOPIC: FDA Ordered by Federal Judge to Allow Morning After Pills Over the Counter to Everyone Regardless of Age
Created by: vabeachcouple33
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A federal judge in Brooklyn, New York, has ordered the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to make the morning-after birth control pill available to people of any age without a prescription.

The order overturned a 2011 decision by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to require a prescription for girls under 17. ----------------------

I'm not sure if there is a precedent for a federal judge to order the FDA to approve or not approve anything, although if this is the case and it stands, this neuters the FDA of their authority, but also relieves them of responsibility for decisions made by others.

Can the government now overturn any FDA decisions? Can they force the FDA to approve anything they want now?

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Tbr

No argument that it is more right than left. I don't think we really disagree much on this.

I'd say theocracies such as Iran are better examples that fall more cleanly along the continuum

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tbrmskss ,,,,it was created along racial, political and nationalist lines, thus the name "National Socialist". Thus the "populist" aspects were not leftist, as the leftist trade unionists at the time had an internationalist and non hierarchic agenda. So again, lets compare that to the American Right. They have no issue or problem accepting public funding or utilizing public institutions, but they begrudge it of others. Thus the similarity

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There is an excellent book, written shortly after WWII, called "The True Believer."

The book is about how people join cult like organizations, i.e. Nazism, Marxism, Christianity...

The basic premise is that a believer of any dogma is much easier to convert, even to a philosophy diametrically opposed to the one they currently believe in. It is not the dogma, but rather the person's desire to believe in something.

I believe I'll have another drink.

That being said, Nazism is a curious mix of right and left wing ideas. It was (is) corporatist and populist at the same time, for example. However, it is generally put on the right hand side of the right-left continuum. That is, by all but the right wingers...

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The idea that Nazism was ANYTHING but the consummate Right wing socio- political philosophy in word, thought and deed is categorically absurd. The idea that it was in a LEFT leaning agenda is even more preposterous The Nazis so loved Left leaning people, they gassed every one they could find. THIS may in fact, have been the vanguard motive for the final solution, more so than religious affiliation.

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1) Repubs do not have an eloquent and charismatic leader (among the living). Changing of the guard 2) The Nazis were not the party backed by billionaires, directly or through media. Incorrect, i fact they were backed by AMERICAN billionaires, not the least of which was Prescott Bush 3) Repubs and Jews are allies, except in America. Allies whom nether of which would allow to walk in each others front door, and all the American Right has dome is change 'jew" to ________ (fill in the blank with any number of false enemies 4) Repubs don't want tax revenues to improve roads and bridges. They CLAIM they don't yet every Red State from Texas to Alaska is sitting on Federal Stimulous money 5) GOP has not proposed creation of a Ministry of Propaganda. Of course they have, they simply privatized it. (Fox news, NRA, CATO, Heritage foundation, etc) 6) Nazis didn't all sign pledge of allegiance to a random nincompoop. They most certainly did 7) GOP doesn't have the word 'Socialist' in it. The "Republican guard" in Iraq were not big supporters of GW Bush. Words out of context can be misleading 8) Nazi manifesto is "antisemitic, anti-capitalist, anti-democratic, anti-Marxist, and anti-liberal". GOP is not all of those, at least not openly. Not openly is the operative phrase

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"Fun: Do you recall that the thread title was specifically in regard to "Ultra-Conservative Republicans"?"

I didn't remember the exact title, only that I thought it over the top to compare an American political group to a Nazi regime intent on genocide. 

Thanks to your search hint, I've re-read the thread and, apart from confirming my recollection about how I responded, it reminds me of a few things. 

That thread was right after some nutwing loonie had just compared the NAACP to the Nazis. And it was the day after AZQT (aided and abetted by our favorite nutwing loonie Fj) had just made despicable accusations against a forummer, based on their gross twisting of his words, and then turned to dissembling and insults. 

I now remember being particularly disgusted at the time by this whole forum because of it all, so I called you out too. 

It's disappointing that not many people here seem interested in finding anything to agree on; it's all about insulting others and asserting extreme/outrageous talking points. 

A few days ago I started a thread with the intent of exploring some things that people might be able to agree about on the gun issue. Because I've seen how fruitless the discussions are when the gun nuts and anti-gun nuts go at it, I couched the thread as a poll for the gun nuts, basically inviting the anti-gun nuts to stay out. 

My hope was to frame the discussion around answers to a couple of bland questions before getting into the real stuff. But immediately after I summarized the "poll results" as a precursor to the meaningful part of the exercise --a discussion-- someone went ballistic and turned the thread into a shitstorm. Because, of all things, I included his "no" vote as a "no" in that summary, even while inviting him at every instance to clarify his stance. Reasonable people willing to have reasoned discussions take one look at that, and stay away. 

All of that background is why I now view these fora as more of a people-watching exercise than a place to discuss anything of substance. Sometimes I'll enter a discussion that interests me; other times just poke fun at a silly point someone has made. 

On any given day I might call out someone on either side if I'm in the mood; on another day I'll just let it pass. Your thread 13 months ago was on a day I was sick of that kind of crap. Don't take it too personally. 

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1) Repubs do not have an eloquent and charismatic leader (among the living). 2) The Nazis were not the party backed by billionaires, directly or through media. 3) Repubs and Jews are allies, except in America. 4) Repubs don't want tax revenues to improve roads and bridges. 5) GOP has not proposed creation of a Ministry of Propaganda. 6) Nazis didn't all sign pledge of allegiance to a random nincompoop. 7) GOP doesn't have the word 'Socialist' in it. 8) Nazi manifesto is "antisemitic, anti-capitalist, anti-democratic, anti-Marxist, and anti-liberal". GOP is not all of those, at least not openly.

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I didn't continue down that road because I'd already been down it before. I maintain that the oft-repeated classification of nazism as a strictly far-right ideology is not fully accurate. While it certainly has elements of it, it borrows many from more leftist ideals as well, and it does not fall nicely along the left-right continuum. It's really just populist-driven statism, with a strong emphasis on identifying scapegoats to hold responsible for societies ills.

The last part of that sentence is currently rampant in both sides of American politics.

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2tryin, I think I got your point. If teenagers have fewer babies, there won't be as many Democrat voters in 18 years. Hardy har har.

Such cynicism sent your message right past some folks here. But if you really think about it, maybe it means your assumptions are wrong. Maybe some Dems really are thinking about the long term health of the country and the world.

Overpopulation is bad. Strain on resources is painful. Public education costs money. These are hardly debatable. Mormons and Catholics and probably others have policies that promote overpopulation -- just to increase their numbers. I've never heard of any Dem leader preaching that.

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"teenaged pregnancy promoted the liberal agenda long term"

That is exactly what I took you to mean, and you are MOST incorrect, because as I pointed out, the plurality of this demographic, does not and will not vote Democrat. Again, I point you to the list I posted, showing you where the majority of unwanted teenage pregnancies take place. You will find these places have not been voted democrat since the southern strategy, and after 13 election cycles, being dependent on government assistance has never been enough to make them do so

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