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TOPIC: Europe furious, 'shocked' by report of US spying
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It's really simple, if Obama wants Snowden back, give him immunity, and he will return to testify to congress.

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What country wants to risk a drone strike, or a seal raid on their soil. Only two countries do not fear the US, Russia, and China.

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Well, Brazil turned down Snowden's request.

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We presently have a government that has taken upon itself to hold in its custody, ANY US citizen, indeterminately, without benefit of trial. Throughout that open-ended detention, that person can be denied access to their family, to legal counsel, to ANY outside person. They can be, in effect, "disappeared" and there's NOTHING they can do about it.

We now have a government that has reserved unto itself the "right" to inflict torture, at its discretion and in violation of both domestic and international law, upon anyone it *suspects* of being a "terrorist," AS WELL AS American citizens.

We currently have a government that has reserved unto itself the "right" to use drones against its own citizens for the purpose of ending their life, based upon nothing more than "suspicion," and without due process of law. The president is NOT required to sign off on such a decision.

We now, have a government that proved its subservience to private enterprise by passing the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, which makes all those who dare to protest against environmental destruction and the abuse of animals, into terrorists. All it takes for someone to be classified a "terrorist" under this statute, which passed in 2006 and was heavily supported by the pharmaceutical industry, is for them to engage in what are otherwise protected first amendment rights. The AETA criminalizes the right of peaceful protest and assembly.

Very few seem to bother to consider just exactly what it says about the US, that we have turned into a place so much more frightening than countries like Russia and China seem like a better place to get a fair hearing. After what we have done, embracing torture and indefinite detention, even targeted assassinations of our own citizens, we have made a mockery of our past stands for human rights. We have compounded it by REFUSING to hold anyone accountable for it either.

I am very concerned for our future. I encourage my sons to graduate college and move to Europe all the time.

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tbr:

"Bush never asserted that the state could kill a US citizen by a drone strike without trial."

If you are sleeping with dogs, you become a dog.

In this case, if a US citizen chooses to go from the safety of the US and sleep with our enemy, do business with our enemy, help our enemy in any way... They may die without trial with our enemies and as an enemy combatant.

Moral of the story? Stay away from our enemies unless you are killing our enemies... You know what? Just stay away from them and let the CIA/US Military kill em.

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Oh please

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If BTW, You ask me to define a "Terrorist"...be sure you really want to hear the answer, because that too is IMO far more broad than that of the Obama administration in some cases, and more narrow in others. For example, I don't conciser Hamas a terrorist group, but I do conciser The Posse Comitatus a terrorist group...just my HO

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You are obviously confusing me with others.

I was never one of the rabid Bush haters.

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I'd like to see TBR use his new found realization in explaining the economic downturn in the last year of GWB's Presidency.

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"for my realization that the President is not omnipotent. "

Nice to see you've come to that 'realization' in the last 6 years.

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