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What part of purge do you not understand?

The military is very good at developing groups writhin itself. It is also very good at only providing information to said.. Trusted groups. So long before the quo, the military commanders would be pushing out the soldiers who woukdnt shoot the civilians and those whom they hadn't yet pushed out or couldn't be trusted to shoot... Would be killed in their barracks or other mass gatherings.

This after all is a quo de ta. Treason.

As for the Posse commons act... Again. This is a quo de ta. It is treason and traitors are only traitors if they lose.

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" It is also commonly accepted that this militia, individual citizens, were expected to be armed in this fashion so that they could stand up to any tyranny from our own government. "all enemies foreign and domestic". "

It wasn't accepted in 1790, and it isn't accepted today, in civilized circles. Somewhere in there, some deluded fucks decided they'd like to have the option of taking down the US Govt. So we had the Civil War, and the numskulls lost.

Later, some dumbasses thought they could stop the integration of schools, and they too were on the wrong side of history. Civilization marches on, despite the worst efforts of backward thinkers.

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Outdoors First the constitution and the bill of rights were meant to go forward as the blueprint for our nation. There is nothing that excludes any firearms from the second amendment either. In fact it is very common knowledge that the militia were just citizens with their own arms, private citizens outside of the army who were expected to provide their own rifles. Those rifles were mandated by written local standards to be of military quality. It is also commonly accepted that this militia, individual citizens, were expected to be armed in this fashion so that they could stand up to any tyranny from our own government. "all enemies foreign and domestic". So we are in reality talking about rifles at the standard of modern militaries. Remember that ongoing part of the constitution. To disarm our citizens to the point that they are unable to stand against "all enemies foreign and domestic" does not fit into the words or intent of the 2nd amendment. I've got a few thousand documents stored on this. Lets have a discussion. The part of the ongoing constitution has been upheld as applied to the first, fourth, fifth, tenth, and fourteenth amendments of our constitution but the SCOTUS. This belief has never yet been denied by that court. Maybe we need a second amendment case sent up making this kind of case as well. If they try and confiscate the AR type rifles I promise you will see it happen and the case will win. Precedent has already been established several times. Liberals always try and make the secondment amendment about hunting. It is not about hunting and never has been. The next thing they try and say is that it isn't a peoples right. Well in all the other amendments when they say the people they mean the individual and this has already been supported by the courts. The DC case in 2008 and the Chicago case in 2010 clearly determined that an individual had the right to own and maintain a semi automatic handgun in their home and for their personal protection.... You can't even argue those rulings they are done deals. The libs are going to have a huge legal fight on their hands and with our current SCOTUS they will not win. With the current make up of the House they won't even get a confiscation type of law passed. it sucks to be the gun grabbers right now. they are going to get their nose rubbed in it hard..... Also read up on what happened to the dems in 1994 when the president strongarmed the dem legislatures into signing the assault weapons bill. the dems lost the house and the senate. The back lash was huge..... Enough said... Time for you to learn some lessons.

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Two things Have you ever heard of the Posse Comitatus act???

Secondly do you really think that all of the military is just going to shoot down civilians?

Think again, and then again. Then take a look at oath keepers.

I am retired military. These things are talked about among the troops. I have been involved in many of those discussions. The vast majority of out active duty personnel do not come from the cities and large population areas. In other words they are not liberals.

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Outdoor:

The 2nd amendment was created to give the people a sense of power and ability to stand against an invader (which at the time was easier to do) or prevent a quo by the military.

Today any military quo by the US military would likely end poorly for the government they make. And likely militia groups would all be summery executed by the military... Likely before the quo.

Let's remember that the military would first have to purge the loyalist from its ranks. Then gain political control so to impose a real police state which would erect the great fire wall of the US and limit our communication with the outside world.

Next the quo forces must execute most every veteran, police and other not part of the quo as their skills would make them valuable training assets for an insurgency.

Once you have arrived at this point, it will no longer matter how many guns you have... The quo military is no longer concerned with law and order, or the people's lives. Summery executions would be the drama show of the day... so to see if your family that you havent heard from in a while, is alive or dead.

What could a hold out militia do against such brutality? Nothing.

They would be vaporized by missiles along with the civilians around them.

So what then is the use of the 2nd amendment? The illusion of power, the illusion of freedom. Illusions are important... More important than safety as we would forgoe safety for the illusion of power and control.

Mass killings are committed by angry/sick and often times abused persons. They use the simple tools first because they are easy... But a super soaker filled with lighter fluid or gasoline and a lighter would kill/wound more than two mass killings combined when done in an enclosed space like a movie theater or a classroom.

A harmless toy and house hold products can make the most devestating of weapons.

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Outdoor:

There was a paper published on the southern conservative mentality. It was an enlightening read and it explains a great detail about why these people seem so insane.

We must remember that the modern day libertarian is born from the conservative party. So they share common beliefs.

They think guns buy independence and freedom. Guns buy nothing, blood and the lives spent or wasted in war buys these things.

Some of them try to point to the middle east for how to fight big government... But forget that the insurgents rape, mutilate and murder their opposition daily to maintain control. The public in a first world nation like the US wouldn't abide such cowards and would support any military freeing them from said insurgents.

Of those communities which truely support the libertarian insurgency war, the big government would contain the community, cut off services and wait. The garbage will pile up, water would become hard to aquire and building probjects can be stopped with spec ops sabotage.

With no blood shed, the people would begin to reject independence from civilization and the rest of the world.

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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. ===========

That's it. That's the entire 2nd Amendment. No guarantee that Americans may own more guns than they have arms; nor any requirement that we may possess weapons designed for mass killing.

And of course there's no suggestion that you may feel free to shoot representatives of government at any level.

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For many dissidents in the USA, owning a gun and believing they can withstand or overthrow their perceived political enemies is a means of overcoming their fears of being controlled.

This type of fear creates obsessive/compulsive defensive that contributes to ownership of weapons intended to be used against their perceived enemies. This o/c behavior also contributes to sociopathological association with other with the same emotional/mental disorder.

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Rephrasing a question posed earlier: Does gun ownership cause people to think they get to tell the government what the law is? Or do anarchist/libertarians just have an affinity for guns?

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It's a mad, mad world and someone has to protect the rights of citizens against the tyranny of government. Anarchy is the new role of the bravest, most patriotic citizens. Assault weapons make give them the firepower they need for insurrection. Innocents, beware!

Exhibit A affirmed. She's a mean molly.

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