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TOPIC: Debt and Deficits -- Presidents and Congress
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Idiots out walking around having fun together dismissing the incompetency and corruption of the Bush/Cheney/Powell/Rice Crime Cabinet often believe that someone other than the dog owner is responsible for picking up the dog poop left in the park by the dog owner.

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You only see things through your bias. The President either has a power or they don't. It's not dependent on charisma or fortitude. The same can be said for congress.

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"You have neither the knowledge nor the inclination to understand these things on anything deeper than a superficial level."

After re-reading the last few posts in this thread, I'm ready to rest my case on this one.

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Oh, I've said many times that Obama hasn't shown much in the way of tough leadership. But that doesn't diminish the fact that strong presidents like Reagan and Clinton got the policies they wanted over congressional resistance. Or that dufus presidents like GWB got what they wanted from a congress controlled by their own party. 

Nor does it change the fact that the budget for last year was done largely via continuing resolutions that kept in place most of what he wanted, and got, from previous years. 

And even though Obama has been overly conciliatory (what, maybe two vetoes?), he started getting his way on a lot of stuff when he finally started getting tough with Republicans hell-bent on saying no. Just a few examples off the top of my head:

Whether or not you agree with the Keystone pipeline, he defeated Congress' attempt to force it through on a fast-track basis. 

He also threatened to veto the military appropriations bill last December, until the changes he wanted were incorporated into the bill during conference. 

Also last December, House Republicans initially refused flatly to go along with Obama's request for an extension of the reduced payroll tax rate unless it was in conjunction with a further extension of the Bush tax cuts on upper earners. He refused, and the Republicans caved to his demand for the payroll tax reductions alone. 

Earlier this year, Republicans responded to Obama's request for continuation of the 3.4% student loan rate with a bill that combined that with repeal of a section of Obamacare. He threatened a veto; Republicans caved and enacted the student loan bill he wanted standing alone. 

I could go on with plenty of examples, but you will never accept the fact that Presidents wield any power, regardless of the facts. So why should I bother? You're boringly immune from evidence and reason. 

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"As strained as your logic is, it applies only to a lame duck President on his way out of office, which only happens every four or eight years. Alice in Wonderland comes to mind."

haha! How powerful has Obama been in passing a budget??

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"So you like ONE of the numbers but attempt to discredit almost the rest of the piece."

I pointed out the article's utter lack of numbers to support it's conclusion that Obama caused most if the 2009 increase. If you see in that article any numbers specific to Obama's actual initiatives, point them out. They're not there.

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"President Obama’s Stimulus spending bill included an increase in food stamps and an extension of unemployment benefits"

I pointed out this quote from the Heritage article because it referred to "an increase" while artfully dodging the dollar amount of that increase under the stimulus. Instead, it tried to leave the false impression that all or most of the 2009 increases were due to the stimulus.

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"I used it to the extent it validated a specific dollar amount from the Congressional Quarterly. DUH. "

So you like ONE of the numbers but attempt to discredit almost the rest of the piece.

That's some funny shit right there.

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"President Obama’s Stimulus spending bill included an increase in food stamps and an extension of unemployment benefits that should not be attributable to President Bush. Also, the category of “Other Federal” spending spiked from $261 billion to $540 billion."

From the Source YOU quoted. I don't know what game you're playing, but you're the loser as usual.

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"hahahaha!!! You're the one that used it as a source!!!!!!"

I used it to the extent it validated a specific dollar amount from the Congressional Quarterly. DUH.

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