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Mark:

1) Lawyers have a limited selection of courts which they can go to in a given order of importance and power over lower courts.

2) Get better lawyers to argue the cases.

3) Maybe the employers of those on section 8 housing ought to be paying better and the wall street investors employing more people in the US if they don't want to be paying more for section 8 housing.

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Robert: Lawyers pick and choose which Courts to go to in order to get a favorite ruling.

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Mark:

Um, Obama was on the board of directors of the woods fund of chicago from 1994 to 2002... He wasn't able to choose judges in the 90s.

And you say I lie?

So how about you provide some evidence of what you say?

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Robert just like you can't keep track of your lies we have been down this road before. But here we go again and well you will come back with some crazy shit. During the Clinton years Barney Frank et al pushed through the Fair Housing Lending Act. This was to move long time Section 8 tenants out, as it costs the government a lot of money to house these people. The banks balked and tried to resist. Then a community organizer working for ACORN (Obama) sued Washington Mutual for not lending to people who were very high risk lenders. Obama chose a very liberal Judge to hear the case. Obama won. The bankers had to start lending money or face federal felony charges. So the banks started lending. It became very apparent very fast the bankers were right. But the snow ball was going down hill. Make the loans or go to prison. Then it became a hot potato issue as smart bankers started bungiling the bad loans and passing them around as they were guaranteed by the Fair Housing Bill to be covered by the US Government. The head of Fanny May gave himself a $10 million bonus and quickly retired. Like any Ponzie scheme the money to cover the bad money was no longer there. And the housing market crashed. Just like the bankers said it would. Now people like you say it is all the bankers fault. After all they did not fight hard enough to not lend the money. Robert have you ever been convicted of a felony? Or ever even want to spend the money defending against felony charges?

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On second thought - don't bother. Just don't. I don't care. I really don't care. I'm not sure I've cared less about anything. Ever.

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"To be honest, the top are always more replaceable than the bottom rungs in the economic world. Why? Because you hold more cards and costumers than other start ups. "

What in the blue fuck are you talking about?

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Mark:

And who exactly cause the housing bubble? Who lent money to people they knew couldn't pay it back? That is right, our banks did. They chopped up bad loans and resold them as a snake oil sales men sold snake oil.

Personally if it wasn't for the fact that should Europe just state bluntly that they won't pay us their debts or consider them nor and void because of the actions of our banks... I would say that that is exactly what they ought to do and then ban our banks from banking or making deals I their nations again.

Oh and save me the crappy line about having a gun put to their heads to make bad loans. If there is any truth to that, then the logical and honorable thing to do is to get out of the game and not be a banker anymore.

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Va:

Actually Vacp is the only one to provide any actual suggestion as to a career choice. Which is one of the biggest reasons I don't speak to him as I just did big, or I do to just.... Well as often as I do to these two I named.

You simply berate people and attempt to sound more importan than you are. Unless you are one of the top scientist in a field of science, you are replaceable, just like any other person.

To be honest, the top are always more replaceable than the bottom rungs in the economic world. Why? Because you hold more cards and costumers than other start ups.

If for example you have five oil companies in one town, but 3/5 of the costumers belong to only one company. Should that company disappear or the owner dies and the kids sell off its assets, the remaining 4 companies can now compete for the costumers and start ups can enter the melee.

It is exactly what happened when the robber Barron's had their monopolies broken up. Ironically they also became many times more wealthy as they could buy into the emerging companies at a lower rate and win even when losing.

Now I have no obligations beyond myself, however I do live with a collective whole. Woth at means I have a responsibility to that whole. This limits my ability to obtain skills. I had more time when I was younger to get skills and had to learn the hard way that those skills I sought were useless as the career was a dead end.

Neither my parents, nor society prepared me to choose a career. My parents had the excuse of ignorance (neither had ever attended college), an excuse the school system does not hold.

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Robert: Cities in Great Britain are considering selling off art works in parks and city owned museums. They are that broke from chasing the socialist model. I fully agree with what Vab said about you. Of course I have said it many times about you.

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Big:

Capitalism has had 400 years to get it right. It's failed.

In that time, three different systems have risen and one has actually shown some promise, socialism.

Now does it need some work? Of course it does. It's only 120 years old at the oldest. But it is the only system that keeps the rich from swinging from the end of a rope.

Now either the wealthy can provide it at a cheaper cost than taxation by the government, or the government can provide the services. The wealthy get to decide.

A) government provided socialism. B) employer provided socialism.

It is a binary choice, it isn't the one you want, but it is the only two options you will have. Crash the economy with obstructionalist ideals as what we are seeing now and you will live just long enough to see the brown shirts and red sleeves marching, gathering the sick and undesirables from their families and homes, your wealth from all who have it to be taken.

As it stands now, I am healthy enough to need not fear the genocide you will cause and poor enough to have nothing to be taken. I will likely even stand a side and let them cull enough of your kind so to remind all who read history that greed kills everyone.

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