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I understand what you mean. But ultimately it comes down to two things:

1. What's legal.

2. Who's going to pay for it?

I think you'll agree with me in this - I sincerely wish that neither of these things were large factors. But they are. It's inescapable. How we handle them is really what we're talking about.

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"So the logic works like this - you bring everyone in, then everyone feels like they are paying for everyone else, and thus they feel like because of that, they have the right to dictate how exactly that should go down."

I'm not talking about trying to legislate others behaviors. I'm talking about physician's making the call instead of grief stricken spouses or families who are thinking with their emotions and not being practical.

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Outdoor, health is the most socialized of all industries we have in this country. The government has its fingers in everything - from profit margins, CEO compensation, what companies must and must not cover, what they can charge for premiums.....

The fingers get deeper every year. Every year the costs go up. The correlation is extremely high.

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Va:

Do you know why we don't slide away from socialism?

Because you capitalist keep failing to provide. You want to make so much more wealth than you ought to, that when faces with cuts, you cut the employees before cutting yourselves. You cut medical, you cut education and other benefits, so yes, the people turn to the government to provide what you do not. It is the natual order of things.

The rich get richer, the poor and less off become poorer and then a revolution begins. The shape of that revolution isn't determined by people like you... You wouldn't be found fifty miles of a battle ground... But I fear people like just and Fjep would try to shame others into fighting for people like you.

In so doing and in an effort to protect your way of life, you would shred the constitution like a pinata hit with a nuke. This might not be the intent, but it will be the end result of the civil war between socialism/communism and your version of capitalism.

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Every time the cost of medical services goes up, it's a slide toward capitalized (for profit) medicine.

In other words, it's continuous.

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The thing is - the more we socialize things, the more we feel like we have the right to control each other because we're all paying for it. When there are enough of "we", "we" becomes indistinguishable from government.

Look through these threads - you see lots of people arguing that limiting soda size or other government mandates on how people eat drink and live is justified because they don't want to pay for how sick you get if you drink 2 gallons of Mountain Dew a day. So the logic works like this - you bring everyone in, then everyone feels like they are paying for everyone else, and thus they feel like because of that, they have the right to dictate how exactly that should go down.

That's exactly how socialized medicine works, and we always sliding towards it. The rate of the slide changes, but it never goes back the other way.

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"He's fine now, but only because he had an "in". I've lived in a place where the government makes all your health care choices for you. I'm telling you - you do not want this. "

I agree we shouldn't have government make that call. The Doc's should...

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"I am hoping that you aren't suggesting that we kill the undesirables? For as much as I dislike the wealthy who aren't contributing to society... I could not support the ought right genocide of the less enlightened and more greedy."

What???? I don't advocate the killing of anyone because of their status. It doesn't matter to me if your rich or poor.

I do think we should trust our medical professionals and let them determine if keeping someone on life support is worth the expense and resources.

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VA:

No system is perfect, however when you are the worlds leading super power and really only super power left, you have obligations to your citizens. These obligations include providing medical care to each and every one of them.

So if Canada has it wrong on one or two parts, remove those parts and subsatue them with something that works. Because as it stands now, I have nothing. I am not going to leave my home and waste even more money and have no savings for college or a tech school, just to get what is considered by the civilized world a right of being civilized... Life, medical care is life and that care ought not come with crushing debt just to draw your next breath.

So if you do not like the fact that the government has provided better for my family and me, bitch to corporate America and tell them that they are pushing people like me to socialism and communism because you refuse to do your duty to your countrymen... To advance this nation into the mixed economy future.

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You have no idea.

What I tell people here is simple: The only Americans who would do better under the Canadian system are those who currently have nothing. *Everyone* else would see a reduction in their quality of care. Americans would be appalled by the delays, red tape and sheer aggravation of it.

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