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have you noticed that the soicalist on here brag about how great soicalism is.but when they see it in real life put it down.the people on it are stealing form them.they don't belive in realtity,only an idea that has never work.but are willing to put you in prison and kill to put it in place.think educated and rich people are the blame for the down trodden,but want to go to college and make lots of money and be rich and have power which they cliam is bad.it just goes to show how fuckup these stupid dips are.they say one thing and then say just the opposite a few post later.they want all kinds of progams,but think if you use one you are stealing form they...what a bunch of losers,and cry babies.you people make me sick.you deserve to be where you are.....BS

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Everything you say you need is a result of someone else doing it for you or providing it to you. It's an endless series of "I can't because...."

You're not disabled. You're not retarded. You're just hopelessly misguided. EVERYONE here - from the further left to the furthest right - has given you advise, and our advise to you actually is quite consistent, in spite of who is giving it. You ignore everyone universally.

Have you ever stopped to think for one second that all of us might be on to something, and you - just you - are not catching on?

I suspect the answer is no. Until that point, welcome to HopelessLoserVille. Population: 1 Robert_Hil.

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So what am I doing?

I write, I study bits and pieces which add to my general knowledge. I am saving what I can for a down payment of 1/3 the cost of education. (as with all other things, if you can't pay a down payment, the object was too expensive to own and beyond your means.)

I aid my sisters with their college endeavors, I aid my parents with their failing health, I maintain my own health the best that I can and pay for as many bills that my parents can cover as I can.

All of this on minimum wage. (as you may suspect, my savings aren't much) all the while applying for jobs which pay better vs required work load vs providing skills which grow my ability to gain better employment.

Damned near everyone I know who has failed so far, I am still ontop. I have not descended into drugs, alcohol, or other vice. I have no kids as any child I might have deserves better than poverty.

So go ahead, tell me that I am a looser.

Losers quit; I haven't quit the game... But I sure as hell will support making it more fair for the common man and not just a game for the exceptionally lucky.

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Va:

And if you are thinking that I am some helpless loser, you would be wrong.

I am without means of gaining skills, employers don't waste time training people, period. I have not met an employer who trains employees to do a job that pays medical. Sedu tried to post jobs, and failed miserably to read the fine print..

One job only wanted skilled workers. (request for back ground in a specific field is a requirement)

The other job was a minimum wage factory job well know in town as a revolving door of injuries and sorry excuses. The company changed names three times in ten years.

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Mark:

Actually if you had more people like me, the hospitals would really close as we would rarely be sick. The last time I was hospitalized as for x-rays six years ago. I stepped on a nail and was ordered to the ER by my technical sergeant.

Before that, I was 12 and had two broken ribs and my nose was cracked. It was a 7v 1 fight.

So yep, I would put hospitals out of business. I would also put doctors out of business too, haven't been to one sense I was 15.

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You aren't exactly bolstering the image of socialists in the minds of people who generally are sympathetic to their goals, Robert.

Conservatives (not me, so much) tend to paint socialists as helpless losers who don't have a prayer of an existence besides near-starvation.

You are pretty much living up to that image. I tend to think of socialists as another brand of ideologue who is unable or unwilling to accept certain realities of human behavior. However, a small number are of the "helpless loser" variety. Left leaning people try to play down persons like yourself, since they make them look bad (just like some redneck screaming about how Obama is a muslim fag-lover makes conservatives look bad).

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Va:

For millions in this nation, health care isn't hard... They don't have it. So those millions vote socialist. Simple cause and effect.

As for denying treatment because of the expense? Again, you don't need to make a carbon copy law, just a copy with changes.

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Yes, I agree with you.

I don't think we disagree on as much here. It's a rather unfortunate mix of laws, money, morals and medicine.

I will say this -

There is a new prostate cancer treatment out for "bad" (i.e. terminal) cases. It is proven to extend life by 4 months. It costs $90,000.

Now, we can argue about whether or not that's worth it, but there is some value to going with it. The first chemo treatments, for instance, extended life by only a few months, cost a fortune, and had horrible side effects. But from those early experiences came some excellent treatments today. This is often the case with emerging technology.

Just like the first VCRs cost about $2,000 in today's dollars. Now they're $20. Emerging technologies always suck, are expensive, but they usually pave the way for the better ones in the future.

When it comes to health, however, it's an uncomfortable decision to make.

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Law's can be changed.

You don't think it would be cheaper to terminate a hopeless case than stringing the families along?

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It was announced last week the hospital in my small town is closing the emergency room. The next closest is now 30 miles away. To many Robert's who refused to pay for services were using it. They felt entitled to treatment. In Robert think: The rich can cover their payments. It is only fair.

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