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User Details are only visible to members.	There were two parts of the contempt resolution. Holder was, and still is, in both civil and criminal contempt of Congress. The criminal resolution was forwarded to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Ronald Machen–who works for Holder–for prosecution. Despite being technically required by law to bring forth criminal charges against Holder, under orders from Holder’s Department of Justice Machen chose to ignore the resolution. The second part of the contempt resolution–civil contempt of Congress–allowed House Republicans to hire legal staff to challenge President Obama’s assertion of the executive privilege. That lawsuit remains ongoing despite Holder’s and the DOJ’s attempt to dismiss it and settle it. It’s unclear what’s in the documents Obama asserted privilege over, but the president’s use of the extraordinary power appears weak. There are two types of presidential executive privilege: the presidential communications privilege and the deliberative process privilege. Use of the presidential communications privilege would require that the president himself or his senior-most advisers were involved in the discussions. Since the president and his cabinet-level officials continually claim they had no knowledge of Operation Fast and Furious until early 2011 when the information became public–and Holder claims he didn’t read the briefing documents he was sent that outlined the scandal and how guns were walking while the operation was ongoing–Obama says he’s using the less powerful deliberative process privilege. The reason why Obama’s assertion of that deliberative process privilege over these documents is weak at best is because the Supreme Court has held that such a privilege assertion is invalidated by even the suspicion of government wrongdoing. Obama, Holder, the Department of Justice, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and virtually everyone else involved in this scandal have admitted that government wrongdoing actually took place in Operation Fast and Furious. In Fast and Furious, the ATF “walked” about 2,000 firearms into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels. That means through straw purchasers they allowed sales to happen and didn’t stop the guns from being trafficked even though they had the legal authority to do so and were fully capable of doing so. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and hundreds of Mexican citizens–estimates put it around at least 300–were killed with these firearms.
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User Details are only visible to members.	Attorney General Eric Holder and his Department of Justice have asked a federal court to indefinitely delay a lawsuit brought by watchdog group Judicial Watch. The lawsuit seeks the enforcement of open records requests relating to Operation Fast and Furious, as required by law. Judicial Watch had filed, on June 22, 2012, a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request seeking all documents relating to Operation Fast and Furious and “specifically [a]ll records subject to the claim of executive privilege invoked by President Barack Obama on or about June 20, 2012.” The administration has refused to comply with Judicial Watch’s FOIA request, and in mid-September the group filed a lawsuit challenging Holder’s denial. That lawsuit remains ongoing but within the past week President Barack Obama’s administration filed what’s called a “motion to stay” the suit. Such a motion is something that if granted would delay the lawsuit indefinitely. Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said that Holder’s and Obama’s desire to continually hide these Fast and Furious documents is “ironic” now that they’re so gung-ho on gun control. “It is beyond ironic that the Obama administration has initiated an anti-gun violence push as it seeking to keep secret key documents about its very own Fast and Furious gun walking scandal,” Fitton said in a statement. “Getting beyond the Obama administration’s smokescreen, this lawsuit is about a very simple principle: the public’s right to know the full truth about an egregious political scandal that led to the death of at least one American and countless others in Mexico. The American people are sick and tired of the Obama administration trying to rewrite FOIA law to protect this president and his appointees. Americans want answers about Fast and Furious killings and lies.” The only justification Holder uses to ask the court to indefinitely delay Judicial Watch’s suit is that there’s another lawsuit ongoing for the same documents – one filed by the U.S. House of Representatives. Judicial Watch has filed a brief opposing the DOJ’s motion to stay. As the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform was voting Holder into contempt of Congress for his refusal to cooperate with congressional investigators by failing to turn over tens of thousands of pages of Fast and Furious documents, Obama asserted the executive privilege over them. The full House of Representatives soon after voted on a bipartisan basis to hold Holder in contempt.
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User Details are only visible to members.	Vacp: Working against the president is one thing... What the republicans are doing is working against the entire population of the US, just to destroy the reputation of one man. There is a big big difference and if you are too ignorant to see that, then there is no point in talking with you on these issues.
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User Details are only visible to members.	You act like this is the first time in history that the opposing party has worked against a President in office.
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User Details are only visible to members.	Vacp: "He thinks he is above the law just like Obama does. They are both arrogant POS" No, he said that he has no respect for the type of men who voted to hold him in contept... Because they were doing this out of spite against Obama. When you have a republican lead congress/house which state that it is their goal to make Obama a one term president... You not only have an ineffective government, but one that will attack its own people for what ever reason that they can to discredit their political rivals. ht tps://w ww.youtube.co m/watch?v=2gM-1HbK4qU ht tps://ww w.youtube.c om/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc When men like this vote to hold you in contempt... You ought to hold them in contempt. Their job isn't to disable our government, it is to govern in accordance with the peoples will and the people elected Obama to be our president, not a republican who this sack of shit would want in office.
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User Details are only visible to members.	Vacp: "Lets see the SCOTUS just ruled against him last month.I did not say he broke the law I said he does not care about it." That doesn't mean he doesn't care about the law... It is the job of congress and the president to make the law, it is the job of the courts to determine if the law is legal. The courts stated that as he wrote that law, it was not in accordance with other laws and thus the courts didn't uphold the law. That is how all governments with oversight by the courts operate, this is civic 101 stuff. "And how do you know what Holder did. He will not release any information. That is why he was held in contempt of Congress." ht tp://content.usatoday.c om/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/09/19/fast-furious-inspector-general-eric-holder-justice-department/70000707/1#.UTYQ0BzU_To This really tells you all that you really need to know. He was unaware of the operation, these operations were conducted as far back as 2006 which was under bush and likely with little oversight to begin with. Any time you have changes in regimes, you will have old guard people who will still operate as they did under the last regime. Either way, this is a non-issue. Bush knowingly lied about Iraq... Or worst foolishly believed a taxi driver... I so hope he knowingly lied... It would be a greater insult to his intelligence if he believed a taxi driver, as anyone who would be in the know from Iraq, wouldn't be alive to speak about it.
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User Details are only visible to members.	Eric Holder: “It’s something that I think was unfortunate,” Holder said. “I think it’s a result of this kind of partisan sport that I think we engage in here in Washington far too often.” Holder said the votes it didn’t bother him, considering who cast them. “But I have to tell you that for me to really be affected by what happened, I’d have to have respect for the people who voted in that way,” Holder told ABC News. “And I didn’t, so it didn’t have that huge an impact on me.” He thinks he is above the law just like Obama does. They are both arrogant POS
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User Details are only visible to members.	Lets see the SCOTUS just ruled against him last month.I did not say he broke the law I said he does not care about it. And how do you know what Holder did. He will not release any information. That is why he was held in contempt of Congress.
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User Details are only visible to members.	Fjep: ""Which laws has he broken? Name the specific law he has broken. " Let's start with murder, and illegal gun trafficking." Lets start with bull shit. Holder put out specific orders for the operations which lead to the gun trafficking to be stopped. Those orders were ignored or never sent to the lower level agents. Gun trafficking between nations is simply business and it happened during every administration sense Washington. "Then let's not forget interfering with a police investigation," Name the cases which weren't related to national security, because that is the prerogative of the government to pick and choose which cases are ever heard. So again, which laws? " official misconduct, obstructing justice." Laws, not accusations. "Then if we really want to act like the looney left lets add in lying to the american public(treason) as you idiots claimed of GWB. " Lying? when? "That is not even touching the international laws on genocide." Genocide? when and where? "VAC the constitution IS law, if he violates that he has committed treason." Name the exact areas of the constitution that he violated?
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User Details are only visible to members.	Vacp: "Well I guess I miss spoke. He does not care about The United States Constitution." Name the laws.
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