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TOPIC: Critique of the War in Iraq Not from Libturds, but from Retired Generals and Army Capitains
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It's not just liberals in the media and colleges who offered a critique of the Iraq War. There has been strong, forceful, helpful critique of the war from the military, including a line-up of distinguished retired Generals.

Retired Generals Rising Up Against Iraq War by Erin Solaro, Seattle Post Intelligencer April 16, 2006

Retired generals are speaking out against this war and the civilian leadership that thought it up and messed it up.....The list is impressive.

Retired Lt. Gen. William Odom, former director of the National Security Agency and now a Yale professor, said in a speech covered by the Providence Journal that America's invasion of Iraq might be the worst strategic mistake in American history.

In a New York Times op-ed column, retired Major Gen. Paul Eaton, who helped revive the Iraqi army, described Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld as "incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically" and called for his resignation.

Publicizing his book, "The Battle for Peace," in a recent "Meet the Press" appearance, retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, a four-star former commander of the Central Command, describes administration behavior that ranged from "true dereliction, negligence and irresponsibility" to "lying, incompetence and corruption."

Another Marine, retired Lt. Gen. Greg Newbold, has written in Time magazine that the Iraq war was unnecessary.

Lt. Gen. Bernard Trainor and Michael Gordon have written a history of the invasion of Iraq, Cobra II, which describes a willfully self-deluding planning process.

"A dozen former U.S. Army captains wrote a column for The Washington Post in December 2007 entitled "The Real Iraq We Knew" in which they set out to describe the war they had experienced, instead of the one generals and politicians had described.

In the op-ed piece, published on the fifth anniversary of the authorization of military force in Iraq, the 12 captains wrote that they had "seen the corruption and the sectarian division."

"We understand what it's like to be stretched too thin. And we know when it's time to get out," they said.

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and we worry about limited waterboarding... Severed Fingers of Kidnapped Westerners Sent to U.S. Officials Thursday, March 13, 2008 Fox

MIAMI — A senior U.S. official confirmed to FOX News that the severed fingers of five Western hostages were delivered to U.S. government officials in Iraq, giving the men's relatives hope that they are still alive.

The Austrian weekly magazine News first reported the delivery of the five fingers in Wednesday's edition, citing unidentified authorities working on the case.

One of the kidnap victims in Iraq was a University of Florida student. The hostages have been missing for more than a year and U.S. authorities in Baghdad recently were sent their severed fingers.

Four of the men had been working as contractors when they were captured in a brazen ambush of their 43-truck supply convoy on Nov. 16, 2006.

The men were working for Crescent Security Group, a Kuwait-based private security company. They were kidnapped by men in Iraqi police uniforms who ambushed the convoy they were escorting near the southern city of Safwan.

Patrick Reuben, a Minneapolis police officer whose twin brother, Paul Reuben, is among the missing, said late Wednesday the FBI told his family that "the fingers were confirmed to be those of the hostages."

Patrick Reuben told The Associated Press the news of the severed fingers was "shocking" but that the initial word the family got was "much more serious than that. Later on we found that it was fingers that were recovered and that the DNA confirmed it was the hostages."

FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said the agency continues to investigate the whereabouts of the five men missing since 2006, as well as a sixth man, Ronald J. Withrow, an American who was kidnapped separately from the others and whose finger apparently was among those sent to officials.

"The investigation continues into the whereabouts and safety of the five men kidnapped in Iraq," Kolko said. "The FBI has received DNA evidence and is conducting an examination. Additionally, the FBI's Office of Victim Assistance has been working with the U.S. families involved in this matter."

Kolko continued: "They have been kept up to date on information the FBI had available and were notified of the DNA samples in February. We understand this is a very difficult time for the families and discussing this matter further in the media is not appropriate."

The six missing are Reuben, a former St. Louis Park, Minn., police officer; Joshua Munns of Redding, Calif.; John Young of Kansas City, whose finger was not among those sent to officials; Jonathon Cote of the Buffalo, N.Y., area; Bert Nussbaumer of Austria; and Withrow.

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Here we go, the last dissenting vote for NOT attacking Iran, Adm. Fallon retires. The Iranians better start digging in! Petreaus has won the internal fight over Iraq, so lets see what happens next.

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yep facts and quotes are hard for lib's since they lie all the time...don't worry I am the truth detector, you just keep reading and learning...LOL

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Desty

So your reply is that you can't think for yourself -- you have to follow your other lemmings in unison and keep posting their lemming blather. I got it. Keep marching to the big lemming parade.

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Liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. P.J.O’Roarke

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Desty

We all know how you can cut & paste (lemming arts & crafts). No need to keep posting the same rants over and over. Why don't you respond with your own words? The real question is can you think for yourself?

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BTW djack

"Where is the proof Scooter outed anyone?"

The proof was a unanimous decision by a jury of his peers.

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Who the Hard Leftists are

The history of NeoCommunism is well known. It starts with the 68'ers in Europe -- les Soixant-huiteurs, named after the 1968 student riots, which served as the major agitprop opportunity. Radicalized youth were created and went on to careers in poltiics. People such as former German Socialist Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who now literally works for the Russians, bought by the giant oil monopoly Gazprom. German anarchist and Green politician Joschka Fischer actually has now turned against his old comrades. Where have we seen this before?

In the US, of course, the NeoCommunists were the Sixties Radicals who decided to carry on a "Long March through the Institutions." That means the college faculties, the high schools, the media, Hollywood, and government. Today, major foundations started by Henry Ford and Andrew Carnegie have turned Hard Left. Capitalist money is turned against the very engines of prosperity.

Hillary Clinton's puppy love for Saul Alinsky, when she was a college student in the Sixties, is symbolic of the way the "new" radicals fell in love with the old, hard-line Communists. Hillary Clinton started her adult life as a millenarian zealot, following the old prophet of radicalism. It's anybody's guess what she believes today, but I suspect it's not the Methodism of her youth. The methods of the Democratic Party today are taken straight out of Saul Alinsky's playbook.

Today The New York Times celebrates the passing of old Communists with lavish obituaries. The NYT Editorial Page has now turned into a mud-throwing gallery for the nasty Left, as shown last week by Gail Collins' weird column on Newt Gingrich's decision not to run for President. It was titled "Ah, Newtie, we hardly knew ye!" Gail Collins is actually the Op-Ed Page Editor of the New York Times, one of the most sought-after jobs in American newspapers. She is engaging in juvenile mudslinging, which is frankly idiotic, because Newt Gingrich happens to be a real history professor, a highly successful electoral politician, a novelist, and one of the most creative policy thinkers in the country. But the Grey Lady will publish such childish rants without hesitation.

(Collins also enabled the disinformation team of Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson to dump blatantly false agitprop into its Op-Ed pages about the Iraq invasion, triggering a massive Leftist assault on George W. Bush, and ending with the sentence of Scooter Libby now under appeal, in lieu of bigger scapegoats.)

The aging New Left has simply become the Neocommunist Left. If you don't believe it, just ask them politely what they really believe. Or check out Moveon*org and many other locations on the web. It's not a secret.

Methods

The methods of Neocommunism parallel those of Old Communism to an astonishing degree.

The routine use of orchestrated group lying (so that many different people are suddenly making the same accusation);

The constant use of innocent-sounding front groups like MoveOn*org and Media Matters;

The use of stooges (like military retirees, both real and phony);

The need to whip up the rage of the faithful with constant disinformation about the enemy (i.e., America and conservatives);

The infiltration of media and government. Members of the seventies left are sprinkled throughout these institutions, carrying out the long march. These tricks are all straight out of the old, old playbook. Karl Marx really was a genius agitator and revolutionary plotter, though nothing else. Marx is still the model.

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tmbr

You are absolutely correct I have been called everything you can imagine by these Lemmings. They can dish it out but they can't take it. There usually is no logic, or fact behind any of there rants -- just hate.

They learn this hate from either "hate radio" -- Rush and his ilk or "hate TV" --- Fox noise channel. Civil discourse and disagreement is the basic right of every US Citizen. In the Lemming alternate universe anyone that disagrees with their hero "W" is a traitor or commie, or libtard, or worse.

djack -- it takes a lot of balls for someone with your post record to criticize anyone's comments. Your way out there this time -- like on Pluto man! Thats why your Lemming #2.

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And how is this any different than your friend Desty calling for the killing of liberals?

Calling them traitors and commies and socialists?

If Zing should be banished forever, so should Desty...

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TOPIC: Critique of the War in Iraq Not from Libturds, but from Retired Generals and Army Capitains