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TOPIC: Containing and Abolishing Communism, Terrorism and Slavery: Can We Learn from Lincoln how to destroy an axis of evil
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DEMOCRATS AS SOCIALISTS The Democratic Party is using the old communist propaganda techniques to warp the minds of the voters, they are, in fact, using those very same techniques -- albeit, with a few modern twists and improvements. Because, reading their political literature, it is very difficult to tell if the Democratic Party turned into a socialist party or the Democratic Socialists of America took over the Democratic Party. Their platforms and ideals are nearly indistinguishable. Other than the Democratic Party and its various affiliated unions, the DSA is the largest socialist organization in the U.S. and is a part of the Socialist International, an umbrella federation for the world's socialists. The DSA was originally formed to push the Democratic Party to the left. And, as history shows, it has.

Today's Democrats do not like the terms liberal or socialist. Instead, they hide behind the new socialist term, "Progressive."

Today, Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) and Barbra Lee (D-CA) co-chair the Progressive Caucus. Both have long histories of association with socialists, communists and other sorted extremist groups.

Some may think the Progressive Caucus is just a socialist fringe group in Congress, but that's not true at all. For instance, House Democrats voted Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) as House Minority Leader. Pelosi has been a card carrying member of the Progressive Caucus for years.

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Darch:

I am agreeing with you, but also trying to complicate your argument so that it includes how factors of race as well as class have been present in creating the power hierarchies that place the slave at the bottom or dehumanize him or her.

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PROOF THAT DEMOCRATS = SOCIALISM / COMMUNISM

http ://www*freerepublic*com/focus/f-news/1038294/posts

by Jaysun

I took some time to examine the stance taken by the Democratic Party on a variety of issues in comparison to the stance taken by the Socialist Party USA. I was looking for a confirmation to what most of us already believe - what I found sent chills down my spine. I’ve listed the issues separately below so as to avoid being monotonous to those who may only be interested in select issues. The direct link to each individual statement is also provided. Also note the Communist Party USA goals at the end of this article.

COMMUNIST PARTY USA. I’d like to end with some of the stated goals of the Communist Party USA. Once again, the Communist and the Democrats are virtually impossible to tell apart: *Raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour. *No privatization of Social Security. Increase benefits. *Universal health care system. *Restore social safety net. Welfare reform that includes job training, supports and living wages. *Full funding for equal, quality, bi-lingual public education. No vouchers. *Repeal tax cuts to the rich and corporations. *Strong regulation of financial industry. *Prosecute corporate polluters. Public works program to clean our air, water and land. *Aid to cities and states. Federally funded infrastructure repair and social service programs. *No to war with Iraq - End military interventions. *Cut military budget and fund human needs. *End racial profiling. *Repeal the death penalty. *Enforce civil rights laws and affirmative action. *Repeal USA Patriot Act. *Legalization and protection of immigrant’s rights.

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So Darchangel:

Slavery has been practiced in many forms all around the world, going back deep into history, and given the range of these practices, it would be a simplication to simply say slavery has been built on class, not race, as slavery has been based on tribal distinctions and ethnic/race distinctions and religious distinctions as well as class and caste, with caste itself often a conflation of race/ethnicity and class.

I checked more into St. Augustine, and I need to make an alteration: he called evil an absence of good (not love). My degree and my studies have not been in theology; I have read Augustine, and I love his Confessions.

Here's one translation of Augustine where he sets forth his conception of evil, and I have separated off the key line:

Chapter 11. What is Called Evil in the Universe is But the Absence of Good.

And in the universe, even that which is called evil, when it is regulated and put in its own place, only enhances our admiration of the good; for we enjoy and value the good more when we compare it with the evil. For the Almighty God, who, as even the heathen acknowledge, has supreme power over all things, being Himself supremely good, would never permit the existence of anything evil among His works, if He were not so omnipotent and good that He can bring good even out of evil.

For what is that which we call evil but the absence of good?

In the bodies of animals, disease and wounds mean nothing but the absence of health; for when a cure is effected, that does not mean that the evils which were present—namely, the diseases and wounds—go away from the body and dwell elsewhere: they altogether cease to exist; for the wound or disease is not a substance, but a defect in the fleshly substance,—the flesh itself being a substance, and therefore something good, of which those evils—that is, privations of the good which we call health—are accidents. Just in the same way, what are called vices in the soul are nothing but privations of natural good. And when they are cured, they are not transferred elsewhere: when they cease to exist in the healthy soul, they cannot exist anywhere else.

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darch:

Jesus said love thy neighbor as thy self. When we lose the capacity to have any empathy of affection or love for another person--when we fail to see in the other any semblance of our brother--then we are capable of doing evil.

My definition of evil comes from St. Augustine, the great theologian of the early Middle Ages or late classical period. Again the Manichaeans who saw evil as a force outside of themselves, Augustine redefined evil not as presence, but as an absence--an absence of love.

Evil is done when people lose every shred of their capacity to have care, affection, kindness for another human being, or when they reduce human beings to property or to vermin, as did slavery, as did Hitler.

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Darch:

Slavery has been based on class; it's been based on race; and it's been based on a combination of class and race. Poor whites were not enslaved in antebellum America. The system of slavery in the USA was based primarily on race (or a non-white status, and thus Indians as well as Africans were enslaved). There were whites who were indentured servants, which can be considered a form of slavery. White Americans were enslaved by Barbary pirates associated with North Africa, or they were prisoners of war forced to work as slaves.

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Funlady:

American Indians chased out of the South to Oklahoma brought their slaves with them. Yes, Indians owned slaves, and Indians and slaves got mixed together, e.g., the Black Seminoles. And, yes, there were black owners of slaves, and Africans participated in the slave trade in Africa.

All such information is helpful to complicate any simple understanding of history. Slavery has a long history in the world, and it's not just a case of whites owning blacks. Americans were enslaved by Barbary Pirates, and "slavs' from Eastern Europe were slaves before people from Africa were enslaved by people in Europe or America. Indians were enslaved in America before blacks.

We can find the exploitation of man by man--and racism--going in all sorts of directions, with all sorts of people responsible.

It's an ugly story and opposition to slavery offers some antidote to a long history of human cruelty.

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Darch:

Evil = the absence of love.

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Sap, what do you think of the black slave owners or the free blacks who fought for the South, or the Cherokee Indians who fought for the South? To the best of my knowledge, the Cherokee, though they had enslaved members of the other Indian tribes, had very few black slaves. I know for a fact that there were many Cherokee fighting for the south, including the brothers of my great grandmother. Also if you look at history, there have been discussions of leaving the Union since the very early 1800s, with the first ones wanting to leave being in New England. The first mention of seccession fron the Union by South Carolina were due to the Tariff Acts many years before the actual acts of seccesion. I do wish we had not had slavery in the USA. Had we not, the crime rate would be much less, there would be fewer democrats in elected office, and most likely, our taxes woud be less. Also the problem with the Anchor Babies would not be an issue, since the Amendment stating born in the USA gave citizenship is a direct result of the need to give the freed slaves citizenship.

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DecemberandMarch:

It's hard to do complex history in short spaces of a forum post. I'd be glad to learn more from you where I am short-sighted or need to amend or complicate my argument.

The post was ironical to some degree, and you need to understand its context: It was provoked by people who were complaining about Sherman's March as a rape, and my point in rejoinder was that war can be hell, especially wars fought to contain or destroy an evil.

I think there are evils to destroy in a just war: e.g., Hitler and slavery.

But I also believe it is very wise to use caution when we see political leaders rushing us into a crusade against evil. That has been the rhetoric of many an American war, for good and bad. We should be very careful how we invoke evil into war against it. The Puritans did in their misguided witchcraft trials, and Indians were the first Reds to be called evil, as they were seen to have commited savage sneak attacks against us (although we can see them as legitimately trying to defend their land from occupation).

Terrible inquisitions and holocausts have been done in the name of crushing out an evil. Good wars have also been fought in the name of ending an evil practice (e.g., slavery and genocide).

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