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If it makes you happy, Perf, I will gladly acknowledge that when the slave issue finally came to head, northern pressure on ethical grounds was only part of the equation. In a country (and colonies before that) that allowed slavery for several hundred years, naturally it is unlikely that either side would have clean hands.

We have been arguing about the causes of the civil war. The righties keep saying that the war was about economics, constitutional issues, states' rights, etc.

I assert that regardless of the myriad reasons the war started, slavery was at the root. I have showed you the SC declaration that clearly frames the cause of secession in terms of an irreconcilable split with Lincoln and his supporters over the issue of slavery.

As a matter of logic, the fact that modern northerners might act self-righteously without good reason on this issue is a straw man. This fact does not improve your argument or weaken mine. Thus those who repeat it over and over are the real parrots.

Since you have such strong views and devote substantial time arguing about them in these forums, you ought to consider studying basic philosophy and logic in order to take your game up a few notches. Preaching like a parrot to an already-sold choir seems like a horrible waste of your time.

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If you think about it, it is the function of government to regulate, thus "threaten" you freedom There is a guy about 4 doors down I would love to beat till he cries...but GOVERNMENT has restricted that "freedom"

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Hell I have not trusted the government for years.

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Sweet

Good post. I'm not sure how the parrots ignore those facts.

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I suspect the results of that poll change based on which party controls the WH and/or HoR.

Also, 26% of Americans are idiots if they think the govt will do the right thing most of the time.

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Pew: 53% of Americans Now Say Government Threatens Their Rights and Freedoms February 7, 2013 By Pete Winn

(CNSNews dot com) - For the first time, a majority of the public says that the federal government threatens their personal rights and freedoms, according to a new survey conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press.

The nationwide telephone survey found that 53 percent of Americans think that the federal government threatens their own personal rights and freedoms while 43 percent disagree.

Of those who say government is a threat, 31 percent say it is a major threat, while 22 percent say it is a minor threat.

Fully three-quarters (76 percent) of conservative Republicans said that the government threatens their personal rights, and most (54 percent) said the government poses a major threat, by far the highest percentage of any ideological group identified.

Even among moderate and liberal Republicans, 57 percent view the federal government as a threat to personal rights and freedoms and 32 percent said it is a major threat.

Among Democrats, 38 percent said the government is a threat, just 16 percent said it as a major threat.

According to Pew, the survey also found “continued widespread distrust in government.”

Only one quarter of Americans (26 percent) trust the government in Washington ‘to do the right thing just about always or most of the time.”

A full 73 percent of those surveyed said they “can never trust the government” or can trust the government “only some of the time.”

Pew, which doesn’t ask the question every year, said that the 2013 response is a significant change from March 2010, when opinions were almost equally divided over whether the government represented a threat to personal freedom – 47 percent said it did while 50 percent disagreed.

In surveys conducted between 1995 and 2003, majorities of those surveyed rejected the idea that the government threatened people’s rights and freedoms, Pew indicated.

Cherylyn Harley LeBon of Project 21. (Project 21 photo)

Cherylyn Harley LeBon of Project 21 National Black Leadership Network said the alienation of conservatives may be fueling the latest numbers, but public distrust in government has been growing across-the-board.

“Such widespread alarm about federal encroachment indicates there is absolutely a bipartisan, across-the-board concern about the assault on Americans’ personal freedoms, choices and ability to raise families on their own terms,” LeBon said.

“Whether it is ObamaCare, the Second Amendment or the constant barrage of ‘nanny state’ regulations at all levels of government, Americans are speaking up about feeling threatened by institutional intrusion,” she said.

“This intrusion is all around,” she added.

For instance, she said a bill was introduced just last month in New York mandating that “no owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers.”

“A complete ban on salt in restaurants! Offenders could be fined up to $1,000 under the terms of the proposed law,” LeBon said.

The bill, which is sponsored by State Sen. Eric Adams (D-Brooklyn), is currently before the New York Senate Committee on Consumer Protection.

LeBon also pointed to 160 pages of new rules handed down by the Obama administration in early February, which are required under the child nutrition law championed by Michelle Obama and passed by Congress in 2010

“America is a free market society, where individuals should be allowed to make the best choices for themselves and their families without micromanagement by the government. Hence the growing distrust of the American people when government intrudes.”

The Pew survey was conducted Jan. 9-13 among a national sample of 1,502 adults, with a confidence factor of 95 percent.

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"PP, In my opinion, anyone who would stand by any party on every issue come hell or high water, has issues".

There are people who would vote republican if the candidate drowned a basket on Kittens on national TV

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sweettart ...Now compare the record of the North vs South post emancipation

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Cplofunswinger...point taken, but all I can say is I would never stand shoulder to shoulder on basic fundamental issues with those who would make my chosen lifestyle a felony nif they could Guilt by association? Maybe...

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PP, you're lumping conservatives and practicing Christians together. Granted, I think the majority of conservatives identify as Christian, but there are plenty of progressive and/or liberal Christians out there. There also happens to be a segment of Agnostic/Atheist conservatives as well. I might be splitting hairs here, but it sounds more like your question should have been directed towards religious swingers rather than conservative.

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