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User Details are only visible to members.	"If Iraq did not have oil, the first Bush would never have intervened. " Probably true. It's why we haven't done shit in Darfur. We fight wars for basically 2 reasons; money and security. I love how you're now spinning to 'slave-related'.
Pittsburgh PA			Username hidden (14618 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Mari: "That's quite a reach Robert. I have many employees that earn a stable wage - enough to sustain a family and modest lifestyle, but really little more than that. " And they will never contribute to society because of it. They will not be able to afford a home, pay for the first two years of their kids college and thus their kids will face crushing college loan debt which the trend dictates that this is the next bubble to burst. If you don't pay a man enough to move up in the world, you aren't progressing society... you are at the least forcing society to maintain the status quo and the status quo is exploding debt. "Only a few of these individuals show any desire to advance and plenty of them have told me over the years that they do not want the stress of added responsibility. They seem genuinely content to maintain a stable status-quo. " Great for them... But advancement ought not only be within one field... The new market place is multi career fields.... too many companies come and go, too many people lose their jobs due to no fault of their own... but because they can't afford the new classes to maintain their employment with the changing market place. "Should I pay a man a wage that will enable him to advance when the man tells me that he is not interested in advancing?" Yes. Thus why I have said that advancement must be either in the company or funding which allows them to attend college so to advance into another career. How does this profit you? Because they will have a better chance of advancing themselves economically, this in turn means that their buying power improves and they buy more... This means more jobs to provide the increased demand. More jobs locally means more people to buy from you. This is upward supply and demand. How long until you see a return? 20 plus years. This is why you won't invest into the future. Don't worry, you aren't alone and that is why we as a nation will fail.
Hazle Township PA			Username hidden (4852 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	If it hadn't been for the fsct that slavery gave the south an advanantage when it came to the westent expension the noth would have never intervened. If the north cared so much about the plight of the salves why did they wait so long to do something about it, and why after the civil war did it take so long to do anything about civil rights. And When the Civil War ended, 19 of 24 Northern states did not allow blacks to vote. Nowhere did they serve on juries . They could not give testimony in 10 states, and were prevented from assembling in two. Several western states had prohibited free blacks from entering the state. Blacks who entered Illinois and stayed more than 10 days were guilty of "high misdemeanor." Even those that didn't exclude blacks debated doing so and had discriminatory ordinances on the local level.
New Orleans LA			Username hidden (2201 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	"Should I pay a man a wage that will enable him to advance when the man tells me that he is not interested in advancing? " Maritimers, did anyone actually tell you he does not want to advance financially? Maybe you are paraphrasing? Lots of people don't want to be on call 24/7, or don't want to relocate when they have kids in school, or don't want to work unlimited hours on a fixed salary. I've hardly ever met a person who " is not interested in advancing". But most people are wary of being exploited.
Flat Rock NC			Username hidden (2836 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Your logic is improving Perf, but could use a bit more tweaking. You seem to acknowledge that the underlying cause of the civil war was slave-related, but it is important to you to demonstrate that the north was motivated more by practical economic reasons than moral ones. Fair enough. Applying this logic, consider what libs say about Iraq: If Iraq did not have oil, the first Bush would never have intervened. Therefore the first Iraq war was not about preventing a rogue dictator from invading a neighboring state, it was only about oil. The "causes" of any complex decision or event are generally wide and varied. The decision makers are usually influenced from multiple sources advancing different agendas. Even if the slave issue came to a head only because of the north's economic motivations, the fact remains that it did come to a head.
Amherst Canada			Username hidden (1700 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	"Isn't that sort of like saying our strategic interest in Kuwait is about money, not oil?" Only if you're a greenie and want to ban oil.
Pittsburgh PA			Username hidden (14618 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	"In my opinion, that makes the war about money, not slavery." Isn't that sort of like saying our strategic interest in Kuwait is about money, not oil? Both statements would be true, but one is more accurate.
San Quentin CA			Username hidden (8604 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Mari, That is so true. Why are you going to pay people more money when they do not want to work to advance in their work.
Berryville VA			Username hidden (1481 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Many slaves actually lived better than their non slave counterparts in the North, not that slavery should have been condoned. It is cheaper to pay a low wage, than it is to maintain property. Slave owners had to provide food, shelter, and medical care to keep their investment in top shape. Slaves were safer then the free blacks in cities like NYC, where they were hanged at random by the gangs. At least 100 blacks were killed during the NYC riots, and they were killed by the Yankees just because they were black.
Sanford NC			Username hidden (18796 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	One hand washes the other. If it was about money, them is was about money produced from slavery. T
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