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Robert one thing about a drunk, they can always get sober. A liberal idiot will always be a idiot.

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FJ demonstrates true expertise on the subject of sub intelligence. He has been demonstrating it for 18 thousand posts and counting. It is an impressive record, indeed.

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Oh damn, someone left the door open and the town drunk is shouting stupidities again.

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Robert the modern welfare state as we know it is slavery. The only difference is you have a choice not to be a slave. The government performs all the functions of a slave owner for those who are not willing to do for themselves.

Libtards are too stupid to see the irony that people with sub intelligence cannot realize that trading votes for a handout is the very same concept.

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Vacp:

Neither.

If employers paid their employees full medical coverage, there would be no need for any government controls (Obama care).

If employers did the above and provided a wage which allowed the employee to attend college so to advance within the company... and or enter another field if there is no advancement within the company... The likelihood that that employee will need government services in their elderly years is reduced greatly... Or the fault lies totally with them.

In which case a government funded elderly home for the indigent would be constructed. (a place that the elderly who can no longer work, but can't afford to live on what they have saved or as retirement go to live out the last few months/years until death.)

If the employers provided... Then there wouldn't be a need for welfare programs which we have today... One or two programs at the most to tie you over until you find a new job...

Remember that unemployment under my view ought to be that you show up in town hall for a work detail, which you are excusable from only if you are attending schooling or attending interviews which you can verify. (no shows/no excusable reason as stated before... no unemployment pay)

Lastly for the unemployment in cities where there are jobs which the governments can't fund... Such as Philadelphia's ship scrap yards... The unemployed would be trained in metal cutting and other applicable skill jobs which they can then use the skills to gain employment.

If you search the politics forums... you will find that I have said these ideals many times over... the righties keep tearing into them because they are socialist based and not totally dog eat dog.

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Robert would this be your perfect world?

Welfare capitalism refers to capitalist economies that include comprehensive social welfare policies in the form of a welfare state, where the welfare state is predominantly financed through taxes levied on privately owned enterprises and/or taxes on income. Alternatively, welfare capitalism refers to the practice of businesses providing welfare services to their employees. Welfare capitalism in this second sense, or industrial paternalism, was centered in industries that employed skilled labor and peaked in the mid-20th century.

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Robert, your hypothetical person "doesn't want to this" and "doesn't want to that" and he "doesn't want to that other thing either..."

That is three things he "doesn't want to do..."

Not a very good recipe for advancement.

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Fjep:

"Many slaves actually lived better than their non slave counterparts in the North, not that slavery should have been condoned. It is cheaper to pay a low wage, than it is to maintain property. Slave owners had to provide food, shelter, and medical care to keep their investment in top shape. Slaves were safer then the free blacks in cities like NYC, where they were hanged at random by the gangs. At least 100 blacks were killed during the NYC riots, and they were killed by the Yankees just because they were black."

So society ought not improve itself? We ought not demand of those who would make society unsafe for the blacks to stop or be hung?

We ought not demand that if the employer can not both maintain their high standard of living and provide for the people they employ... That they ought not lower their artificially high standards of living so to actually provide for their workers?

You support slavery and you do not even realize it.

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"If Iraq did not have oil, the first Bush would never have intervened. "

Probably true. It's why we haven't done shit in Darfur. We fight wars for basically 2 reasons; money and security.

I love how you're now spinning to 'slave-related'.

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Mari:

"That's quite a reach Robert. I have many employees that earn a stable wage - enough to sustain a family and modest lifestyle, but really little more than that. "

And they will never contribute to society because of it. They will not be able to afford a home, pay for the first two years of their kids college and thus their kids will face crushing college loan debt which the trend dictates that this is the next bubble to burst.

If you don't pay a man enough to move up in the world, you aren't progressing society... you are at the least forcing society to maintain the status quo and the status quo is exploding debt.

"Only a few of these individuals show any desire to advance and plenty of them have told me over the years that they do not want the stress of added responsibility. They seem genuinely content to maintain a stable status-quo. "

Great for them... But advancement ought not only be within one field... The new market place is multi career fields.... too many companies come and go, too many people lose their jobs due to no fault of their own... but because they can't afford the new classes to maintain their employment with the changing market place.

"Should I pay a man a wage that will enable him to advance when the man tells me that he is not interested in advancing?"

Yes. Thus why I have said that advancement must be either in the company or funding which allows them to attend college so to advance into another career.

How does this profit you? Because they will have a better chance of advancing themselves economically, this in turn means that their buying power improves and they buy more... This means more jobs to provide the increased demand. More jobs locally means more people to buy from you.

This is upward supply and demand.

How long until you see a return? 20 plus years. This is why you won't invest into the future. Don't worry, you aren't alone and that is why we as a nation will fail.

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