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Well - the Dems are doing what they promised to do - start investigating exactly WHAT may have been happening with the endless stream of tax dollars that America has been sending to Iraq. Like, say - the 363 tons of 100 dollar bills shipped on pallets in cargo planes to deliver to the Coalition Provision Authority - whose chief comptroller was running an embezzling and kickback ring.
Patrick McHenry (R-NC): "This is a show trial" Henry Waxman (D-CA): "I suggest the Congressman return under his rock." |
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To be truthful, I don't care who makes the machines - Diebold, Sequoia, or anyone else. The critical factor is a paper trail. Without one, there is absolutely no way to have a real "audit" of voting results .... and without audits, there is no way to guarantee that votes have been recorded and counted correctly.
The country has been aware of this issue for 4+ years now, and nobody has set a standard. The only logical explanation for this is that someone don't want voting to have a level of auditability that virtually every electronic cash register in every store, restaurant, and bar in the country has. |
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I still find it hard to believe that state officials in any state do not control the codes and/or access to voting machines. That would be either stupid or naive, and I find in today's political climate that very rarely are government officials truly stupid or naive.
Therefore I stand by my belief that it is a leap to suggest O'Dell's comments were anything other then his personal support for our President. |
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Aus - you are correct Nevada in 2002 went to the Sequoia Edge machines across the entire state. I had to call Carson City because I was under the impression that the machines I voted on were Diebold. I was informed that in the Presidential elections of 2000 and 1996, in my district they were, but from 2002 on, the state felt a standarized voting system with the same voting machines was better. The person I spoke with stated Diebold, as well as 7 other companies, put up a bid, but the Sequoia bid was the one accepted.
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From what I read, Nevada is way ahead of the curve. You apparently have the good fortune of using Sequoia Edge machines with the VeriVote printer attachment which creates a voter-verified paper trail - every machine in the country should have these. It's the only reliable audit system .... electronic audits are a joke, since they're subject to the GIGO principle.
Unfortunately, most states have not been as enlightened as Nevada in demanding accountability. Then again, Nevada has been dealing with the gaming industry for years, so they have a pretty good handle on how machines can be manipulated. |
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If you'll go back and look, you might note that I started talking about Diebold by referencing the 2006 congressional seat in Florida, where a huge number of undervotes in specific precincts resulted in a Republican victory. Add that on the day of the election, people were reporting that their votes for the Democratic candidate hadn't been recorded by the machine.
Even Florida is so fed up with Diebold and their brethern that the Governor has declared that they're abandoning touch-screen voting machines. The Republican Governor, btw. |
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"Where do you get that comparison from? You have ZERO...got that..ZERO PROOF that Diebold or any of it's people were in ANY WAY involved in ANY CONSPIRACY or ACTIONS to usurp the voting process... "
Nope - only the words of the head of Diebold that he was committed to delivering Ohio to Bush. |
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"so now freedom of speech doesn't apply to the head of Diebold... "
Sure it does. What is a travesty is that the government contracts Diebold and others to produce voting machines, and then allows those companies to keep their software proprietary so that even the government and the courts can't investigate it. Given that reality, the head of Diebold announcing his committment to influencing an election falls very close to Oliver Wendell Holmes free speech test of "shouting fire in a crowded theater". |
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"but you have your own conspiracy theory.... "
And the spoken word of the head of Diebold that he was committed to helping Bush win. You should be mad at him for saying such a stupid thing, given his position - and not at others for pointing it out. |
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