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well i certainly don't agree that the last election was based upon local issues, here in pennsylvania or elseware. it was (for better or worse) a vote against the current status quo of the situation in iraq...

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Bush warned them about the time table and had been consistent in what he would do. If the Dems really wanted to pass this bill instead of making a political statement, they would have accepted the reality of the veto and not included that provision in the bill. Instead they are looking for political points for 08'. It's a shame but the bill with all of the pork alone should be vetoed, not to mention a provision that takes away the Presidents role in running the war. The congress and senate don't have the authority to make decisions regarding the how the war should be run. I think that this will hurt the Dems more when it comes to the Military vote, the game that they are playing with the funding for the troops is more than transparent, it's obscene.

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I'm many things, but hardly a "liberal".

I'm sure like everything else Bush has touched thus far, this effort to thwart the American people will turn to manure for him. There really hasn't been a more incompetent president in my lifetime. Hell, not even Nixon.

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Don't see how it's the Dems that will be choosing to look weak on defense considering it will be Dubya's veto on the war spending bill they're sending him. Beggars and lame ducks can't be choosers. He either needs to accept this bill or bring the troops home. I really don't think pouting and holding his breath, stomping his feet, pounding his fist and announcing himself to be "the decider" is going to work this time.

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"Now back to ER comment on G.W. Bush's threat of a veto if the Funding bill for the armed forces in Iraq. G.W. Bush does have the right to veto any bill that he feels does not meet with his approval. Then Congress has the chance to override his veto. That is the way our system works."

It would be more appropriate to say it's how our system fails. How do you consider this working? The President is supposed to carry out the will of the people, not just do whatever he wants or only what 30% of the people want.

The American people spoke in the last election, took both the house and senate away from Bush and gave them to the only other choice we were offered. That says a lot. It says that even though this is a historically conservative country that despises socialist ideals, even we as a people can be driven to such extreme disgust by an idiot like Bush that we're willing to vote in *whomever* we can to shut him down.

So, in return what is he going to do? He's going to give a big fat middle finger to the American people in general and use his veto stamp for the first time ever. No choice since he no longer has his rubber stamp of a predominantly Republican Congress and the Senate.

At which point the Congress will have no choice left but to cut funding, and the American people will have no choice but to vote in a Democrap to the White House in '08.

I personally have been seriously considering Obama lately. Considering that McCain has gone off the deep end and is catering his rhetoric to his neocon base, and Hillary makes me sick. At least Obama genuinely comes off as a decent man. Maybe it is time we put a black man in high office.

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ERROR He emailed me this morning and told me he wasn't coming back to the politics forum anymore because of all the assholes here. about hedo "Israel is an abomination before their own 'God', so it's survival is irrelevant,"

Hedo was expose for what he is and embarrassed by his own hand.

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Well guys I had a nice chat with E R's dealer......turns out he cut him off 2 years ago.........this poor man needs help. He's messed up in the head or something. Can't take anything he says seriously, he criticizes a government that he does not believe should exist anyway. He has a fucked up view of the world and cannot be reasoned with. Bottom line he's not really worth the trouble. God I'm starting to miss JNM........Beefstick......hell even YY was more pleasant than this nut. I supposed he'll try to use some lame as Dave Chapelle joke now since he don't know to many black people..........

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*(Air Force has thier own codes....we were special LOL) *

Yes we were and are....

Banter people, really.

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STOP IT!!!!! ENOUGH OF ACTING LIKE CHILDREN!!!

Now back to ER comment on G.W. Bush's threat of a veto if the Funding bill for the armed forces in Iraq. G.W. Bush does have the right to veto any bill that he feels does not meet with his approval. Then Congress has the chance to override his veto. That is the way our system works.

I am not sure where I am on this one? I do not think the Dems have the votes to override his veto. My feeling on the whole war has been that we should have invaded with a larger force & more importantly we should have NEVER USED WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION as the reason. That was just bad salesmanship. A much better reason would have been to point out all the times he violated the cease fire agreement that Hussain agreed to. If we could not have gotten the UN Security council to go along with us then we should have played hard ball. Call in all US goverment loans to the Country not voting with us. Let the Country know that no more US forgein aid will be given to said country. Also if say France was dealing with Iraq in violation of the UN policy then tell France that no US company will do business with France, any company in France & any loans to France will be repaid with in 90 days.

Now that we are in Iraq I feel that we can not leave till Iraq is secure. The one thing that worry's me is we leave to soon that Iraq will become another Theoracy like Iran, just what we need another Iran in the middle east.

We have to support the troops but we need to pay for them now with out adding to the defict or national debt. That is the "hook" I would put in the bill. Here Mr President here is your funding but in order to pay for it we are repealing your tax cuts. Then the ball is in his court & let him explain to the troops why he did not sign the bill giving them the funding they need.

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Damn I'm gitty

Looked at my DD214, I'm a box 26 "Separation Code" of KBK and box 27 "Reenlistment Code" of 3D (Air Force has thier own codes....we were special LOL)

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