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cplo:

While I could support this for unlocked guns... What do you do about the cases where you return home and find your guns stole, the safe broken into?

How about the use of your own family to force you to hand over the guns?

As stated, we can never know what happened in that house, how he obtained the guns. I don't know if they released any information about there being gun safes. If the shooter in sandyhook had to try and buy guns, I must assume that there was a safe.

If there was a safe, how did he obtain the guns? He obviously had his mother open the safe. Was that under duress? Threat of death? His threat of suicide?

How far are we to allow our anger to go? When do we decide to make real changes in regards to how we deal with mental health?

Is it sad that she had to care for a mentally disabled son? Yes. But she and others like her place everyone at risk by having mentally ill family members in the home with their gun collections.

All I am wanting to do is allow such owners to keep their weapons safe from mentally ill persons by locking them away in a armory where neither they, nor their family can be used to force them to hand over the guns.

You want to go shooting? All you do is stop by the armor, provide your ID (gun license which ought to have a photo ID on it.) pick up your guns and go out to the ranges or where ever.

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"" If she were alive right now I'd be in favor of throwing her in prison for criminal negligence. "

That wouldn't actually do any good, though, would it?"

1. It would keep her from being careless with guns.

2. Sends a fairly strong message to legal gun owners that we are solely responsible for our guns and if they fall into the wrong hands because of neglect and carelessness on our part, then we will face the consequences for our laziness.

Lock it up, or get locked up.

That's actually kind of catchy. Better than "click it or ticket" imo.

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Fact, you aren't going to get people to live up to such levels of personal responsibility. So you must limit the access mentally ill people have to such guns.

No one knows exactly how he obtained the guns, if he held a knife to her throat and forced her to open a gun safe. (if there ever was one)

Personally yes, she was at fault. Why? Because he got ahold of her guns. Because she taught him how to use them. Him a mentally ill individual.

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" If she were alive right now I'd be in favor of throwing her in prison for criminal negligence. "

That wouldn't actually do any good, though, would it?

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You'd have better luck trying to get the blind to understand sign language.

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Cpl, that is what I was trying to get Robert to understand. She was at fault. Period.

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The Sandy Hook shooter is why we need to address personal responsibility for properly securing the guns you own. It has nothing to do with mental health. Mom didn't do a very good job keeping her guns secure so that her unbalanced kid couldn't get his hands on them. I hold the mom equally as responsible for the shootings and I do the kid himself. If she were alive right now I'd be in favor of throwing her in prison for criminal negligence. But she's dead. She got off easy.

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vacp:

I already addressed your what if when I said.

"Yes, a bad guy can break into your home and hold your kids hostage just the same... And just the same, you'll give them the keys to the guns. At the least this is what most people would do."

We aren't talking about bad guys, or non-family mentelly ill persons.

Sandy hook, gabby giffords shooter; Jared Lee Loughner are but two examples of why we must focus on mental health as the issue of gun control.

Obviously we can't do anything about random acts on the street before we address mental health. Once we address mental health, we can address the gang issues with the armaments of the studies which would be conducted on and along side the implementation of mental health reform to our gun laws.

So try your straw man arguments if you wish. Fact remains that those who commit mass shootings are mentally ill, and until we as a nation come to terms with mental illness and how to address it.... Mass shootings are going to become worst and they are going to become more common place.

I want to stop this, mental health is our best solution to doing so.

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"Using the "one in a million" scenario is definitely the right reason to change the law."

I get the sarcasm but............

300 million people in the US. How many killed with Semi-Automatic rifles with high capacity magazines?

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Using the "one in a million" scenario is definitely the right reason to change the law.

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