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User Details are only visible to members.	MacKinlay said Kelly never revealed to the store's staff why he was buying the guns and added that it would be wrong to refuse to sell a gun to someone because of their personal views. "He is a U.S. citizen, an Arizona citizen and expressing his Second Amendment right to purchase and own a firearm," MacKinlay said. Todd Rathner, a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association's affiliate in Arizona and a national NRA board member, questioned the point that Kelly was trying to make in buying the guns, saying a model citizen such as Kelly should be able to buy a gun relatively quickly. He also noted that such a purchase could have been a good investment as the value of those types of weapon soars amid heightened demand from gun owners. "If you believe him, it's a cheap publicity stunt," Rathner said. "If you don't, then he was speculating on the value of the rifle because he knew the prices would be inflated." The advocacy group started by Giffords and Kelly had no immediate comment Tuesday on Kelly's gun buys. But the group released a statement from Kelly on the Senate Judiciary Committee's approval Tuesday of a proposal to expand federal firearms background checks to nearly all gun purchases. Kelly said the 10-8 vote was a huge step in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and mentally ill people. Kelly's statement didn't address the controversy over his own gun buys. Kelly, a former astronaut who plans to keep the handgun, told CNN on Monday that it was important for him to have firsthand information on the ease of buying guns such as the AR-15 and that he looks forward to buying a firearm at a gun show in the future. Kelly and Giffords have long been supporters of gun rights and owned handguns themselves.
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User Details are only visible to members.	More lies from someone who feels he is better than everyone else. If he is a gun owner he already knew how the system worked. He got caught and is trying to lie his way out. PHOENIX (AP) — The husband of former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords generated nearly 4,000 comments on Facebook from people on both sides of the gun debate after he posted a photo of himself buying a military-style rifle — a purchase he said he made to demonstrate how easy it is to obtain the kind of firearms he's lobbying Congress to ban. A background check took only a matter of minutes to complete, Mark Kelly said in the Facebook post, adding that it's scary to think people can buy similar guns without background checks at gun shows or on the Internet. It didn't take long for gun-rights supporters to accuse Kelly of being a hypocrite for buying an AR-15-style rifle and a 45.-caliber handgun. Many of the Facebook comments focused on his motivations and the rules for purchasing such guns. Kelly and Giffords started a gun control advocacy group, Americans for Responsible Solutions, amid the wave of recent mass shootings. They have been touring the country in recent months in support of expanded background checks for gun purchases. Kelly bought the guns at a Tucson shop the day before he appeared with his wife at the supermarket where she was wounded during a shooting rampage that left six dead and 12 others wounded two years ago. The public event last week was the first time the survivors had come together since the January 2011 shooting. Giffords resigned from Congress last year as she continues to recover from her injuries. The AR-15 is among 157 military-style weapons that would be banned under a bill pending before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee. Kelly, a former astronaut, said he intends to eventually hand in the rifle to Tucson police. Doug MacKinlay is the owner of Diamondback Police Supply, the shop where Kelly bought the guns. He said Kelly bought the rifle on March 5 but couldn't immediately take possession of it because the shop had bought it from a customer. As a result, the store is required by a Tucson ordinance to hold the gun for 20 days to give the city enough time to make sure the weapon wasn't used in a crime, MacKinlay said.
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User Details are only visible to members.	taxing guns to but back guns?liquor tax is to help alcholalics or buy back booze,car tax to buy back cars.slingshot tax to buy back slingshots,would that include pebble flippers.I can see all kinds of new taxes we can have to have more money to piss away or put in some elected person pocket.we don't need new laws.in fact we need to get rid of bad laws.any state law that is 20 years old or federal that is 40 years old should be invalid and non exentenit......just my thought.........BS
Kingston TN			Username hidden (1927 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	how bout we tax all elected officiles and leo a exact tax for passing bad laws or rules,false arrest,bad trials,deadly raids,and just refusing to do their job.have it cover city, county,state,and fedaral empolyees.less say 25% OF total income form each job.we could call it a stupidmacho tax.I'am for law and order,just not what we have today.............BS
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User Details are only visible to members.	NRA free program to all. What is The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program? The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program teaches children in pre-K through third grade four important steps to take if they find a gun. These steps are presented by the program's mascot, Eddie Eagle, in an easy-to-remember format consisting of the following simple rules: If you see a gun: STOP! Don't Touch. Leave the Area. Tell an Adult. Begun in 1988, The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program has reached more than 26 million children - in all 50 states. This program was developed through the combined efforts of such qualified professionals as clinical psychologists, reading specialists, teachers, curriculum specialists, urban housing safety officials, and law enforcement personnel. Anyone may teach The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program, and NRA membership is not required. The program may be readily incorporated into existing school curriculum, taught in a one- to five-day format, and used to reach both levels or simply one or two grades. Materials available through this program are: student workbooks, 7-minute animated DVD, instructor guides, brochures, and student reward stickers. Program materials are also available in Spanish. The NRA is committed to helping keep America's young children safe. In efforts to do so, we offer our program at a nominal fee. Schools, law enforcement agencies, hospitals, daycare centers, and libraries may be eligible to receive grant funding to defray program costs. Grant funding is available in many states to these groups to cover the cost of all program curriculum materials. The purpose of the Eddie Eagle Program isn't to teach whether guns are good or bad, but rather to promote the protection and safety of children. The program makes no value judgments about firearms, and no firearms are ever used in the program. Like swimming pools, electrical outlets, matchbooks and household poison, they're treated simply as a fact of everyday life. With firearms found in about half of all American households, it's a stance that makes sense. Eddie Eagle is never shown touching a firearm, and he does not promote firearm ownership or use. The program prohibits the use of Eddie Eagle mascots anywhere that guns are present. The Eddie Eagle Program has no agenda other than accident prevention - ensuring that children stay safe should they encounter a gun. The program never mentions the NRA. Nor does it encourage children to buy guns or to become NRA members. The NRA does not receive any appropriations from Congress, nor is it a trade organization. It is not affiliated with any firearm or ammunition manufacturers or with any businesses that deal in guns and ammunition.
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User Details are only visible to members.	Bills in states, Congress seek to raise firearm taxes The congressional proposal, a 10% hike on handgun purchases, would generate money for gun buybacks and safety programs. Many states pursue similar taxes on arms or ammunition. March 09, 2013\|By Richard Simon, Los Angeles Times A December gun buyback in Los Angeles netted hundreds of firearms. In Congress,… (Rick Loomis, Los Angeles…) WASHINGTON — Efforts are underway in Congress and at least half a dozen states, including California, to raise taxes on firearms or ammunition to pay for programs targeting gun violence. In Congress, a group of Democrats, led by Rep. Linda T. Sanchez of Lakewood, is pushing for an additional 10% tax on handgun purchases that could generate tens of millions of dollars nationwide to fund gun buybacks, firearms safety campaigns and anti-violence programs. Legislation that would impose taxes on guns or bullets has also been introduced in Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Jersey and Washington state. In Sacramento, a bill by Democratic Assemblyman Roger Dickinson would impose a nickel tax on every bullet sold in California to pay for screening and treating young children for mental illness. The proposals are designed after similar taxes placed by federal, state and local governments on cigarettes to fund anti-smoking campaigns and healthcare programs. "Anything that contributes to balancing out the costs that gun violence exacts on communities is a step in the right direction," said Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center. "Like cigarettes, guns should be taxed in a manner that takes into account the harm they inflict on society at large." Massachusetts state Rep. David Linsky, who has proposed a 25% tax on the sale of guns and ammunition to fund mental health programs, police training and crime victims' programs, said that gun owners bore some responsibility for funding mental healthcare because of the effect of firearms on public health and safety. "We know that cigarette smoking has a significant public health impact," he said, citing taxes imposed on tobacco to fund healthcare. "Similarly, the use of firearms has a significant public health and public safety impact." Currently, gun and ammunition manufacturers pay a federal tax — often passed on to buyers — that is projected to generate about $500 million this year for wildlife conservation programs under a 1937 law. The amount is expected to increase as a result of a marked rise in sales prompted by fears of new firearm restrictions. The proposed congressional legislation is designed to appeal to deficit-minded lawmakers by offering a way to pay for grants to local and state governments for popular buyback events without adding to Washington's red ink. A recent buyback in Los Angeles took in 2,037 firearms, including 75 assault weapons. But the proposals are likely to run into resistance from House Republicans strongly opposed to tax hikes. A spokesman for the National Rifle Assn. said the group strongly opposed "any misguided effort to tax law-abiding Americans exercising their fundamental constitutional right." "The vast, vast majority of Americans who own firearms do so with great care and a sense of serious responsibility," said Mike Bazinet, director of public affairs at the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a gun industry trade group. "It is unfair to ask them to pay additional taxes to fund programs to address societal problems that stem from multiple causes. "Let's target the criminals — not the law-abiding citizens who choose to own firearms for hunting, target shooting or personal defense," he said.
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User Details are only visible to members.	The story does sound a little fishy, more so because it has already been established the checks work to some extent, but ought to be expanded to blocking the sales to those living with mentally disabled persons. (some exclusions do apply)
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User Details are only visible to members.	Yea ok lol After receiving media inquiries concerning the apparent hypocrisy of him buying a weapon against which he has openly advocated, Kelly noted on his Facebook page, “I just had a background check a few days ago when I went to my local gun store to buy a .45. As I was leaving, I noticed a used AR-15. Bought that too. Even to buy an assault weapon, the background check only takes a matter of minutes. I don’t have possession of it yet but I’ll be turning it over to the Tucson PD when I do. “
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User Details are only visible to members.	LOL as usual you miss the point. This guy was out saying the average person does not need an AR-15 then goes out and buys one. Just another hypocrite.
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User Details are only visible to members.	Vacp: If you want to stop a river, you cannot stand before it, you must divert it. As current, you on the right wish to stem the tied of anti-gun lobbiest by standing before the riptides and shout "thow shalt not pass." To which the left replies "the way is shut, and the dead keep it shut" You shut the doors on fixing society by blaming the people for havin nothing, while the wealthy can make castles and homes which are the size of city blocks. Now tell me why should the left listen to your whinny ass complaints? This is the only route you have left the title wave, the flooding waters are coming and you refuse to open the bypasses, so now you will lose your guns, you will lose your freedoms, because you refused to equal the playing fields. Oh and when taking the guns fail, and make no mistake, it will fail to stop street crime. Society will begin taking other things until you have nothing left but your pride as you do something stupid or die a angry old man. Equaling the scales is the easier option, but you won't do it. Your choice, your vote, your lost freedoms.
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