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Former Florida Gov. Charlie Crist recently wrote an op-ed condemning "zealots" for imposing new restrictions on voting, "overreacting to contrived threats of voter fraud by significantly narrowing the voting pool." As it turns out, he's not the only former Florida Republican with these concerns.

In a 630-page deposition recorded over two days in late May, [Florida's former Republican Party chairman Jim Greer], who is on trial for corruption charges, unloaded a litany of charges against the "whack-a-do, right-wing crazies" in his party, including the effort to suppress the black vote.

In the deposition, released to the press [last week], Greer mentioned a December 2009 meeting with party officials. “I was upset because the political consultants and staff were talking about voter suppression and keeping blacks from voting,” he said, according to the Tampa Bay Times. He also said party officials discussed how “minority outreach programs were not fit for the Republican Party,” according to the AP.

In fairness, it's not unreasonable to question Greer's veracity. The man is facing felony corruption charges and very likely carries a grudge against his former colleagues -- the state GOP quickly kicked him to the curb when his legal troubles began.

But if Greer's deposition is accurate, and he saw first-hand that Republican officials took specific, deliberate steps to disenfranchise African-American voters, this not only sheds new light on Gov. Rick Scott's (R) "purge" crusade, it also confirms the worst Democratic fears about the ugly motivations behind the Republican Party's "war on voting."

I think fj said "if it quacks like a duck...."

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Lucky:

And if it were left up to those business owners, they wouldn't pay a crying penny. We all know that the business owners don't pay enough for the average person to pay taxes. Yet business men like Rommey have the money to pay for a dancing horse.. Elevators in his house to store more cars... Yet his companies were so poor that they had to outsource? Apparently he didn't live within his means... He raped and pillaged the companies he bought, then outsourced the work because there wasn't enough money as a result if him emptying the coffers.

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Somebody invested in roads and bridges.

The American Tax payer including business owners.

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Another survey, reaching 10,000 registered voters via phone and Internet after the 2008 election, included questions about driver’s license ownership by race. In an Aug. 30, 2011, blog post, Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Charles Stewart III said responses showed that 19 percent of black respondents and 3 percent of whites did not have a driver’s license. In his blog post, Stewart did not break out results for Hispanic respondents. Among half a dozen other studies, ranging in scope from three counties to three states, several struck us as having limited applicability:

The NAACP report said a 2008 Pew Center study in Georgia showed 30 percent of African Americans said they voted absentee because they lacked a photo ID. However, this statistic reflects the responses of only 30 voters in three counties, and the Pew report warns against using it to draw conclusions. A 2005 Department of Justice summary of state data said that among registered voters who applied for Georgia driver’s licenses or state ID cards, African Americans had state ID at a "slightly higher" percentage than whites. A 2011 Associated Press analysis of South Carolina data showed the state’s photo ID law would fall harder on black populations in some areas and on whites in other areas.

Two other surveys asked questions closest to matching the statement by Holder. A 2007 survey of Indiana’s voting-age citizens found 26.6 percent of blacks and 13.6 percent of whites did not have a "current" government-issued or state university-issued photo ID. A 2008 survey of registered voters in Indiana, Mississippi and Maryland found 3.8 percent of blacks and 0.9 percent of whites did not have government-issued photo IDs. Our ruling Holder’s figures appear to trace to a single national survey taken about six years ago though, far as we can tell, mostly unchallenged since.

Other collections of data do not touch on exactly the same points, but most indicate that African Americans are less likely than whites to hold varied kinds of government-issued IDs, with percentages of blacks without such IDs ranging from nearly 4 percent to more than 26 percent and percentages of whites having such an ID ranging from 1 percent to nearly 14 percent. We rate Holder’s claim as Mostly True.

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Two of those states -- Texas and South Carolina -- must have their laws cleared by the U.S. Department of Justice because of past failures to protect minority voting rights. The department rejected South Carolina’s law in December 2011 (saying that minority registered voters were more likely than whites to lack state IDs) and declined to bless the Texas law in March 2012.

The Texas law would require voters to show a valid government-issued photo ID, such as a Texas driver's license, Department of Public Safety identification card, state concealed handgun license, U.S. military ID or U.S. passport. Back to the nationwide data: The center’s 2006 survey reached by telephone 987 U.S. citizens of voting age, asking them questions including, "Do you have a current, unexpired government-issued ID with your picture on it, like a driver’s license or a military ID?" As voter ID debates heated up in 2011, the conservative Heritage Foundation issued a critique of the survey, noting it was still frequently cited and questioning its decision not to focus on registered or actual voters. The Brennan Center’s response said in part, "While it is true that citizens in those groups are more likely to vote in any given election, they are not the only citizens who have the right to vote." Overall, according to the survey, 11 percent of voting-age Americans did not have current government-issued photo ID. Among African Americans, 25 percent did not have such ID, compared to 8 percent of whites. Not enough Hispanics were surveyed to reach reliable conclusions about that subgroup, the center said. In a December 2011 report, the NAACP mentioned the 25-percent figure from the 2006 survey, going on to say that factors in individuals not having IDs may include the cost of getting a photo ID (because minorities are over-represented in the poor population) or a lack of the documents needed to apply for the photo ID, such as birth certificates (not issued to many African Americans born before the Civil Rights Act passed), which also can cost money to obtain. When we looked into the Democrats’ claim, we found no other national surveys by race of which U.S. citizens eligible to vote have government-issued photo IDs. Two national surveys taken in 2008, however, checked on registered voters.

Before the 2008 presidential election, researchers from the University of Washington and other schools carried out a national telephone survey of 4,563 registered voters. In the survey, 10 percent of blacks, 11 percent of Hispanics and 5 percent of whites said they did not have a valid driver's license or an ID issued by their home state.

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From Politifact

Eric Holder says recent studies show 25 percent of African Americans, 8 percent of whites lack government-issued photo Addressing the NAACP at its annual convention in Houston, Attorney General Eric Holder stressed his commitment to battling states such as Texas seeking to put in place laws requiring citizens to show a government-approved photo ID before voting at the polls.

According to the prepared text of his July 10, 2012, speech, Holder recapped the Justice Department’s decision not to approve the Texas law’s implementation after deciding it would be harmful to minority voters. Separately, the State of Texas, led by its attorney general, Greg Abbott, has sued the government toward winning judicial approval of the law, which the Republican-led Legislature approved in 2011.

Holder credited the NAACP with "working to raise awareness about the potential impact of this and other similar laws, and the fact that – according to some recent studies – nationally, only 8 percent of white voting-age citizens, while 25 percent of African-American voting-age citizens, lack a government-issued photo ID. In our efforts to protect voting rights and to prevent voting fraud, we will be vigilant and strong. But let me be clear: We will not allow political pretexts to disenfranchise American citizens of their most precious right."

We asked the Justice Department how Holder reached his percentages and didn’t immediately hear back.

But the references to 8 percent and 25 percent, respectively, were familiar to us.

In a January 2012 fact check, we rated Mostly True a claim by Democratic U.S. Reps. Steny Hoyer of Maryland and John Lewis of Georgia that up to "one in four African Americans do not carry the necessary forms of identification to vote" under the conditions of state photo ID laws.

At the time, we noted that the figure originated in a 2006 survey by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University’s School of Law. The center combines research and legal advocacy on public policy issues such as campaign finance reform and racial balance in criminal law, and it has said that state efforts to require photo IDs from voters at the polls could discourage millions from voting, especially minority and low-income Americans. In an October 2011 report, the center said that in five states where photo ID laws were scheduled to take effect in 2012, some 3.2 million Americans, accounting for about 10 percent of the states’ voting-age residents, lacked government-issued photo IDs.

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Bobby,

My employer pays me a decent salary, so how can you claim I'm whining that my employer doesn't pay a living wage? I don't like paying taxes, but that is typical among those of us that do pay them, don't love it, but do pay them. The complaint is that you want more, so you and your messiah resort to creating class warfare. You demand more, and instead of manning up and facing your employer for more, you want others to pay more taxes so you can have that jumbo screen tv in your home. Maybe if you gave your employer more in the way of output, you might be worth more to him. Actually your biggest bitch is with your president, check out the growing unemployment numbers, job growth numbers, wanting higher taxes, high deficit, making this country unfriendly to business.

Tell you what. Give me the name, phone number and address of your employer and I will be happy to contact him for you and make the demand that you get paid your 150k per year, receive medical and put your kid through college. Should I throw in a demand for free ninja uniforms? I promise to try and do this with minimal laughter too.

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Azqt:

I don't demand a check from you, I demand that you stop whinning like little babies about paying taxes when you don't demand from employers to pay a living wage. Don't pay a living wage (wage able to allow one parent to raise two children, have a house so to borrow college money for the kids in 20 years time and provide medial.)

If you can't live up to these bare minimums, then accept paying more in taxes each year and yes, they will rise until such time as the price of medical, education and other stop rising. (if need be we redesign how our systems work.)

Bottom line, you have stopped trying to redesign anything and are like those I watched in the middle east, they will use a broken truck until it rots to nothing... and then they have nothing left but to become violent to each other.

I refuse this dead end path you are on and demand that we build a new future, that we improve the standard of living of each generation and that if employers won't do it willingly, that they be forced to do it through taxation.

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Bobby,

The only thing you are doing is whining and demanding from others. Do you really expect people on SLS to be sending you a monthly check because you demand them to do "their part" in taking care of Bobby?

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Azqt/Fjep

1) I paid my own way through college.

2) half of the jobs in the US earn 35k when adjusted for inflation. You can't have a good economy on this, you can't afford to send your kids to college, pay for medical, and other needs on 35k a year. With half of all marriages ending in divorce, cut that earnings by at the least 1/3 for child support or alimony.

I am saving my money, I am expecting to return to college... some day.. when I can afford it. But for now I work as many hours as I can get, my 97 camry keeps a full tank of gas for over a week, because I walk wherever I must go.

I do my part to the best of my ability, why don't you start and doing your part!

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Booo Hooo ohhh whaaaaa

Bobby your young, stop your pissing and moaning and get off your lazy ass. Christ, months of the same pathetic whining. Stop spending your time crying and go get a better job.

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