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TOPIC: A Democratic Administration's plan to fight The War On Terror

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User Details are only visible to members.	tbrm... I apologize for getting this rebuttal late. I get here sometimes too late. I read Destin's response to you and I think he/she is right. By your comments, you appear that you have no military background. I take exception to your comments about leaving the troops in a no-win situation is betrayal. You went on the state failed insurgencies. You should have gone on with: The Great War (aka World War I) - success World War II - success These were wars that we, with the current philosophy of some of our elected legislators, would have stayed out or left before the final victory. If you track the historical movement of the US military during those two wars, you would know that this country also faced a no-win situation. However, there were few individuals like Hillary, Reid and you that no one listened to, thus guaranteeing an uncompromised victory.
Fairfield CA			Username hidden (575 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Excuse me for stepping in on your discussion. I personally have the expectation that when the President and Congress decide to commit troops, that the troops are given every chance for a successful outcome. And that committing troops is a last resort. I'm sure I will catch flak for this one, but I kinda liken it to having car insurance. Just because I have good car insurance doesn't mean that I can smash into someone just because I get mad at them. Saddam was a bastard, and I know of no reasonable person who would want him back in power, however he did keep a lid on the ethno-sectarian strife in a way that we have not been able to replicate. Now I don't condone Saddam's methods either, but he was our bastard. We put him in power, or at least did not stand in his way. American companies sold him the precursors for his poison gas, so our hands are not especially clean in this matter. We are left with no good alternatives. We could stay there another 10 years, at a cost of 1,000 brave American troops per year, 15,000 civilians and who knows how many insurgents. And maybe at the end have a stable society. Or we could get out, remove the American losses, but increase the civilian losses to who knows what, but certainly more than now. Ethnic cleansing for who knows how many years. Eventually, I imagine we might have a stable society. We could relocate the different groups and give them some autonomy. I suspect that that would cut down on the ethnic cleansing, but it would take a strongman type leader to herd that group of cats. There are probably another two dozen possible solutions, all fraught with their own pros and cons. What we need to do, IMHO, is get away from this false choice of either leaving our troops there or bringing them home. If we are interested in the peace, stability, and welfare of the people in the region, that is really only part of the equation.
Lakeside CA			Username hidden (15741 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Red are you saying you will only fight if you know you can win ? I will always fight to help people or to defend myself,my family or my Country. I dont care if I win or lose what matters to me is I gave my all. Your post is why we say libs are cowards. Char
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User Details are only visible to members.	"All I can say then TBR is you have no argument then...since you do not understand war ...did you ever serve?///and the Dem's are too conservative...you are partiless and insignificant. There are 2 ways to think in this country today, left or right, I fought and bled so you could spout off but after this I do not have to justify or answer. Have a good night and know you and your family are safe because of men like me." No I did not serve. I was born a bit too late for Vietnam and my late teens and 20's were a dark time for the military. I had children very young and chose a different path. I may be partyless, however I do not feel I am insignificant. There are many things I believe in that I will not see in my lifetime. I suspect it is the same with you. There are many ways to think in this country, unfortunately we only have two choices with any chance to be in power. I suspect there are many conservatives that do not agree with everything the current administration has done, just as I do not agree with much that the current Democratic party stands for. Still, the alternative to not working for what you believe in is always worse. I honor and thank you for your service. My feelings about the military are complex and conflicted, however you did something necessary that I chose not to do, and that deserves my respect and gratitude. In my opinion, we should all give thanks for each other. People like you, and people like me, are what makes this country great. We should all be thankful for the incredible riches that allow us to have the free time to communicate over thousands of miles. We should be thankful that we can have conversations, sometimes heated, like the exchange between Sen and I today, and neither of us has to worry about a knock on the door in the middle of the night. We should be thankful that, within reason, we can go where we want, do what we want, think what we want, and fuck who we want. Anyway, this is getting to long, and I have been known to be a bit talkative. You have a good night. Peace be with you
Lakeside CA			Username hidden (15741 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	All I can say then TBR is you have no argument then...since you do not understand war ...did you ever serve?///and the Dem's are too conservative...you are partiless and insignificant. There are 2 ways to think in this country today, left or right, I fought and bled so you could spout off but after this I do not have to justify or answer. Have a good night and know you and your family are safe because of men like me.
Destin FL			Username hidden (14562 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	yea now you got it now... this is pointless like the rest said. char
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User Details are only visible to members.	"I don't think so and I don't think you are a libe either. Just a good democrat that needs to take back your own party...good luck!" My stock line for that comment is that the democrats are too conservative for me. But like most people, I am not easy to pigeonhole. I am fairly conservative on a few issues, moderate on others, and very liberal (progressive? whatever the current PC term is) on others.
Lakeside CA			Username hidden (15741 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	So your plan is to kill them to prevent them from being killed? "We had to destroy the village to save it."
Lakeside CA			Username hidden (15741 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Char a pull out, which is surrender called for the lib's will cause a blood bath in Iraq..is that what you want TBR? I don't think so and I don't think you are a libe either. Just a good democrat that needs to take back your own party...good luck!
Destin FL			Username hidden (14562 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I have not seen any liberal on this board advocate the murder of innocent Iraqi women and children, have seen it from conservatives. What do you think will happen when the libs put up a white flag and run from this war? Char
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