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The .308 is used in sniper rifles and the m-60, but so far not in a AR platform by the military. IMO it is time to make a shift back to the use of the .308 all around.

They also should shift from the 9mm to the .40, but I don't see that happening. I would also prefer they transition to a glock instead of a 1911. While I am a 1911 fan, some people, like Bobby, are not competent to handle a 1911.

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I agree , unchecked the round will travel @ a mile with little effect, hit one tiny branch or bone and that piece of lead will do damage.

One of the training tennets was " if you lined up 15 men asshole to bellybutton and you can shoot clear through...." The 308 was a more effective round ( as well the 30-06) Why do you think they are still used. I do agree with the handling of the AR Vs a bolt action 308, more people qualify with the AR than than did with the 308.

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Looking while I agree, the army did not publicize the round to maim. They did exclaim that it was easy to train soldiers with the lower recoil, lighter rifle. They also extolled the higher mag capacity at a lighter weight. To make it easier on the soldier.

In the long run battle hardened soldiers have complained of it's lack of stopping power, mostly on slim combatants. This has been backed up by a study done by a Seattle doctor, that the round passes through a slim victim without causing enough damage to incapacitate. In fact there have been police officers who have shot themselves in the leg with it and not been incapacitated.

Enemies that will blow themselves up and do not care they are going to die, the round is a hindrance. They do not worry about their wounded. It is time to move to a .308 for our troops. Of course the wimps will not be able to handle this round in a light rifle.

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Well, that wasn't the only reason, the round was not designed to kill. It was designed to inflict damage that would wound the enemy rather than kill, thus creating a situation where more enemy combatants had to care for the wounded , (as well the screams from the wounded would inflict fear into the enemy). It was designed to take out or occupy the opposing force through attrition.

I had to train with the AR15 for over 25 years, and early on we had to learn why it was adopted, and what one could do with such a weapon and round. I prefer it for Varmint, and have bagged several deer with one , although shot placement has to be almost exact.

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Looking you would think being a former soldier he would know that most military rifle rounds were originally designed to take down a horse. The 5.56 was not, and is not a horse stopper round.

The main reason for the 5.56 is/was it's low recoil for pussies that could not handle the M-14 in the field. They adopted it's use for people like Bobby.

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one who claims to know so much really has no clue Ever hear of a 30-06 or 308? they seem to do more to the body than that little ole Flat shooter

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"damage of an assault weapon... Basically the 5.56"

Complete utter ignorance of firearms. My 1894 does more damage then the 5.56. Hell my 45/70 does more damage than the 5.56. The 5.56 is a weak round in comparison to most centerfire cartridges. That is why in many states it is illegal to use for hunting deer, or larger game.

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lookiing:

The AR-15 is close enough to an assault rifle as to make the public believe it to be. In short the part of the public which wishes to ban all assault weapons wish to ban any weapon looking like an assault weapon or is able to do the damage of an assault weapon... Basically the 5.56 and above.

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That is definitely what they look like after a few hundred rounds run through them. My oldest is a Colt from 1982, and she is quite Grey, My youngest is a 2011 Ruger and she almost jet black, then again I have only put 50 rounds through here to break her in.

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Looking a friend told me that new contracts for M-4s are not black anymore.

Seems to me my mattel was not black but charcoal grey.

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