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TOPIC: 'Fast and Furious'

Created by: Lucky2haveU Original Starting post for this thread:
Hoping to score a knockout blow against the Mexican cartels, U.S. law enforcement created "Operation Fast and Furious" to stop gun smuggling by allowing the weapons into Mexico, thereby exposing the entire cartel network to prosecution, according to a new congressional report on the U.S. program. Instead, the operation was a bust, a deadly strategy that left a trail of blood and bodies throughout the Southwest, the scathing congressional report said, concluding that a reckless and irresponsible chain of command ignored repeated warnings the plan would fail. "You've got people who are dead, you have weapons that are missing and you have an administration that doesn't seem to want to take any accountability for it," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah and a member of the House Government Oversight Committee. "There is absolutely no justification, no justification for this. There are people that are going to have to be held accountable." That effort begins Wednesday morning when the committee opens hearings on Operation Fast and Furious. Those testifying include the family of murdered Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and three ATF special agents who say the plan was doomed from the very beginning. Findings from the preliminary report include:-- Agents expected to interdict weapons, yet were told to stand down and “just surveil.” Agents therefore did not act. They watched straw purchasers buy hundreds of weapons illegally and transfer those weapons to unknown third parties and stash houses. -- ATF agents complained about the strategy of allowing guns to walk in Operation Fast and Furious. Leadership ignored their concerns. Instead, supervisors told the agents to “get with the program” because senior ATF officials had sanctioned the operation. -- Agents knew that given the large numbers of weapons being trafficked to Mexico, tragic results were a near certainty. -- Operation Fast and Furious contributed to the increasing violence and deaths in Mexico. This result was regarded with giddy optimism by ATF supervisors hoping that guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico would provide the nexus to straw purchasers in Phoenix. That last finding is sure to anger Mexico, which has so far been muted in its criticism. In a March 2010 memo, ATF says it allowed gun smugglers to buy 359 guns while 958 people died in Mexico the same month. Internally, the agency was "trumpeting up the violence that was occurring as a result of an ATF sanctioned program."

Created by: Lucky2haveU
Original Starting post for this thread:

Hoping to score a knockout blow against the Mexican cartels, U.S. law enforcement created "Operation Fast and Furious" to stop gun smuggling by allowing the weapons into Mexico, thereby exposing the entire cartel network to prosecution, according to a new congressional report on the U.S. program.
Instead, the operation was a bust, a deadly strategy that left a trail of blood and bodies throughout the Southwest, the scathing congressional report said, concluding that a reckless and irresponsible chain of command ignored repeated warnings the plan would fail.

"You've got people who are dead, you have weapons that are missing and you have an administration that doesn't seem to want to take any accountability for it," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah and a member of the House Government Oversight Committee. "There is absolutely no justification, no justification for this. There are people that are going to have to be held accountable."
That effort begins Wednesday morning when the committee opens hearings on Operation Fast and Furious. Those testifying include the family of murdered Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and three ATF special agents who say the plan was doomed from the very beginning.

Findings from the preliminary report include:-- Agents expected to interdict weapons, yet were told to stand down and “just surveil.” Agents therefore did not act. They watched straw purchasers buy hundreds of weapons illegally and transfer those weapons to unknown third parties and stash houses.
-- ATF agents complained about the strategy of allowing guns to walk in Operation Fast and Furious. Leadership ignored their concerns. Instead, supervisors told the agents to “get with the program” because senior ATF officials had sanctioned the operation.
-- Agents knew that given the large numbers of weapons being trafficked to Mexico, tragic results were a near certainty.
-- Operation Fast and Furious contributed to the increasing violence and deaths in Mexico. This result was regarded with giddy optimism by ATF supervisors hoping that guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico would provide the nexus to straw purchasers in Phoenix.
That last finding is sure to anger Mexico, which has so far been muted in its criticism. In a March 2010 memo, ATF says it allowed gun smugglers to buy 359 guns while 958 people died in Mexico the same month. Internally, the agency was "trumpeting up the violence that was occurring as a result of an ATF sanctioned program."

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User Details are only visible to members.	A fun fact I learned last night, Eric Holder was appointed a judge in the superior court in DC by none other than Ronald Reagan...
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User Details are only visible to members.	And nobody on the right is eating crowe? news.yahoo. com/fast-furious-probe-clears-holder-faults-atf-justice-211946201.html
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User Details are only visible to members.	Dosent this remind you of something called Iran-Contra Affair? Is it not funny how the liberals wanted to nail Oliver North and Reagan to the stake for this but now that it is their turn it's all okay because "it was to catch criminals?" I am so tired of the same scandals with different names and different players being OK for one party but the other it is outrageous. Both Ideas had good intentions with failed outcomes and loss of life. Against the advisers advice. Doesn't congress and the presidency think it is time to listen to those advisers? Should history not teach us something? Oh and then there is arming Afghanistan with weapons to fight the Russians. The bay of pigs, Vietnam, setting Castro up Hum again should we not learn from history?
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User Details are only visible to members.	owebama and company will continue to do as they have been, "Blame it on Bush". Just read the posts from the left here, they are blaming it on Bush also. They won't let facts get in their way.
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User Details are only visible to members.	Fox News, the Washington Post, the L.A. Times, and The Hill are all over this one, as they should be. It seems that BATFE’s William McMahon, who, as the agency's Assistant Deputy Director for Field Operations approved its catastrophic and deadly “Fast and Furious” operation, is being allowed to receive his six-figure federal paycheck for nearly half a year, while working full-time as investment bank J. P. Morgan’s executive director for global security and investments in the Philippines. As the Washington Post reports, "McMahon was one of five ATF officials recently singled out in a congressional report on the botched gun operation. The report alleged that McMahon knew that no safeguards were in place to prevent a large number of guns from getting into Mexico, but he made no effort to stop them." Fox News says "The [double-dipping, two-paycheck] arrangement allows McMahon to retire [from the BATFE] in December with a full government pension." Congressional investigators into the "Fast and Furious" debacle, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Rep. Darrel Issa (R-Calif.), have asked the BATFE to explain McMahon’s situation, but the agency has said only that McMahon is a full-time employee in the agency, in its Office of Professional Responsibility, no less. A letter sent by Sen. Grassley and Rep. Issa to BATFE says "Given McMahon's outsized role in the Fast and Furious scandal, the decision to approve an extended annual leave arrangement in order to attain pension eligibility and facilitate full-time, outside employment while still collecting a full-time salary at ATF raises a host of questions about both the propriety of the arrangement and the judgment of ATF management." Meanwhile, the long-awaited report of the Department of Justice's Office of Inspector General, on "Fast and Furious," has apparently been completed, and the DOJ has one month to respond to the report’s findings. At that time, the report should be made available to the public. Thirty years ago, the cover-up of a two-bit burglary of a hotel room was enough to force a U.S. president to resign. In the current administration, though, sins of an incomparably greater magnitude have been rewarded time and again. Reason enough to remember that the presidential election is only 73 days away. And counting.
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User Details are only visible to members.	“Allowing firearms to be trafficked to criminals is a dangerous and deadly strategy,” he testified. “The thought that the techniques used in the Fast and Furious investigation would result in taking down a cartel, given the toothless nature of the straw purchasing law and the lack of a firearms-trafficking statute, is, in my opinion, delusional.” Following his House testimony, Mr. Forcelli and another ATF whistleblower, John Dodson, were assigned to work under an ATF supervisor who two lawmakers said threatened retaliation. In a letter to the Justice Department’s Office of Inspector General, the lawmakers, Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican, who initiated the Fast and Furious probe, and Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican, who headed the House investigation, quoted that supervisor, Scot Thomasson, division chief of the Firearms Operations Unit, as saying, “We need to get whatever dirt we can on [Mr. Dodson and Mr. Forcelli] and take them down.” Mr. Dodson had gone public about Fast and Furious in a February 2011 interview with CBS News. He later testified before Congress with Mr. Forcelli. “It is difficult to understand why ATF leadership would put two of these courageous whistleblowers at the mercy of an individual who made such reckless, irresponsible and inaccurate comments about them 18 months ago,” Mr. Grassley and Mr. Issa wrote. Of the more than 2,000 weapons delivered to Mexico, nearly 1,000 remain unaccounted for. Two AK-47 semi-automatic assault rifles purchased during the operation were found at the site of the shooting death of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry. Operation Fast and Furious began in 2009 and continued to the day after Terry’s death on Dec. 14, 2010. Mr. Forcelli, told the committee that agents in Phoenix “with the concurrence of their chain of command” allowed weapons to be delivered to persons they knew would turn them over to Mexican drug smugglers. He said they did so knowing that no interdiction efforts were planned. He said when he voiced his “surprise and concern” to his supervisors, Special Agent in Charge William Newell and Assistant Special Agent in Charge George Gillett, they were dismissed. “Newell referred to the operation as ‘groundbreaking’ and bragged that ‘we’re the only people in the country doing this,’” he testified.
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