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You are correct, without a college degree and to a lesser extent a trade school certificate, you cannot even become a manager at a store. Giant food, turkey hill, Walmart, and other stores will not hire from within or out (any position above assistant manager, (a 9USD an hour job) without a 4 year degree in business management.

And applying without the minimum requirements has your application tossed into the garbage without being read. So you can have a life time of experience, and it would be meaningless.

These older guys here need to wake up to the fact that the world has changed and to survive financially, you must make at a minimum 30,000 USD to start. That is just enough above poverty to afford living in the city, where the jobs are.

As for rdy's sales job, it is nothing more than scam. Personally, the entire telemarketing system should be considered harassment, unless I specifically call you, do not call me to sell me anything, ever.

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Besides, bobbie boy would have to go to college to achieve the skills to have a career in sales. Oh, and he wouldn't want to call anyone between 4 and 8PM cause he's having dinner then and wouldn't want to be disturbed by cold callers and telemarketers.

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sexy, people that work with me work only on commission. So if they don't sell they don't get paid.

You know the chicken shit does wonders for veggies in the garden. He should try zucchini and cucumbers. Excellent source of fiber.

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RDY, I think you should give Bobbie a job and then pay him about 5 times what he's worth. That might make him stop whining. Waddia think? And what were you thinking, trying to tell him how to grow grass. Don't you know he already knows how to do that, like he knows how to do everything else? He will probably say that the Government should be responsible for his grass, and that you are just another greedy businessman who needs to pay your people a "fair" wage, as well as enough more taxes to cover his grass farm expenses.

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2 Saint, I think I took that same course. I liked the clear stuff from the mason jar I got in Mississippi.

bobbie boy doesn't know how to be a man and he'll tell you that every time he posts in the forum.

Speaking of college skills, I run 3 companies and never went to college but I did get an assoc. degree in computer hardware and electronics technology before I entered the AF and became an instructor in Electronic Counter Measures with a Top Secret Clearance.

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I believe it's a difference in generation. In the past, college isn't required. But for the current young generation, if you just graduate from high school, there is no way you can even get an interview with any company offering a permanent position with a decent salary.

I will hire people with experience to work for me if there's no college diploma. But how can young generation right now get that experience in the first place if nobody will even interview them and give them a chance to learn real world experience? Even if you don't want to go to college, you need to go to trade school to learn the skills for working in such field.

High school diploma is no longer enough now.

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bobbie, 1) can't grow food, we cannot even get grass to grow right.

bobbie, use fertilizer and water every other day before the sun comes up. Make sure that the roots stay wet and don't cut it so low. That should help you, oh and don't forget to spread weed killer that doesn't harm the grass.

Or if you want you can go out to a chicken farm in your areaand dig up the dry chicken shit to use as fertilizer, but make sure you spread it thin. Then you can use that to grow veggies for your winter feed. You're close to the Delaware River, you can take a day off and take your father fishing and bring home dinner and freeze for winter, unless you like to go ice fishing.

You have a great hobby of blaming everyone for your failures when you should get off your ass and be a productive member of society.

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You cannot obtain meaningful employment without skills and you cannot get meaningful skills without college

That's just you experience.

The last company I worked for, I started as a part time stocker to make a little extra for Christmas, two weeks latter i was the assistant manager, 2yrs later i was the store manager,3yrs later i was the DM, 2yrs after that I was the LP manager 3yrs after that i took a position in HR dept. all with only one semester of college where I majored in whiskey tasting .

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well said saint

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Then the difference between you and I are

1) can't grow food, we cannot even get grass to grow right. 2) my family and self believe in uplifting the masses to a livin wage and not a wage which qualifies them for government aid. We believe that for a businessman to be considered a success, their employees ought be adding into the nations coffers and not taking from it. This does no mean telling the weakest or the poorest to do with less, or that they aren't good enough or deserving a living that enables them to do better.

You cannot obtain meaningful employment without skills and you cannot get meaningful skills without college. No, working like a dog for any price is not meaningful employment, its transitional employment. (Transitional employment is any employment between career fields or otherwise temporary.)

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