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Now don't go getting your panties in a wad...

Like I said, you bring up some legitimate questions.

But the law isn't always right or moral. Ask me about family court sometime.

I've worked with a lot of homeless people in my time as a social worker. Sure, there are some that "want" to be homeless. But a great majority of those people should not be making decisions for themselves.

That is one of the tragedies of the last several decades. The least restrictive environment policy in regards to the mentally ill.

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Now I'm getting pissed off..,.

If you think I'm dumping on this homeless guy you're not understanding what I'm saying. The court didn't rule that it's not prosecutable, or that there shouldn't be a sentence, or whatever. They ruled that it's **not a crime**. Not a crime = totally legit.

So now homeless people can literally just walk into a store and steal food. This is not hyperbole or speculation.

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As for a country providing for the guy - every developed country has homeless people no matter their level of social assistance. Canada has a rate that is (population-wise) nearly FIVE TIMES that of the USA. The European Union's rate is THIRTY times that of the USA. Most developed countries have more generous social assistance than the USA, but most also have HIGHER homelessness. One thing people are rather stunned to see coming to Canada are the scores of homeless people accosting you while walking down any downtown street.

Like you, I don't know this guy's situation, but if you think that people don't choose to live in situations like this, I have news for you. That is, however, another topic.

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Now you are going to go and make me go all Robert on you...

I don't know anything about this guy's situation, but...

Which is the bigger crime, not providing a minimum standard of living for each person, or criminalizing survival behavior?

I agree that it sucks for the shopkeeper, and pretty much agree with all of your questions, but I think there is a larger moral issue here...

Leviticus 23:22

"When you harvest the crops of your land, do not harvest the grain along the edges of your fields, and do not pick up what the harvesters drop. Leave it for the poor and the foreigners living among you. I am the LORD your God."

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the sentiment in society in general is reflected differently in the european courts than here in the USA courts. if we ever see a verdict like that in the courts here in the USA, i would have a fred "Elizabeth! it's the big one!!!" moment and fall over in shock.

while i agree stealing ought to be a crime, there's something also to be said for mercy in justice--as in, yeah, guilty, but put aside or reduce (whatever) the sentence in the case of clearly exigent circumstances.

my holy bejeezus was for the verdict, as well as for the fact that whoever reported the guy in the first place could have handled it with the guy directly--rather than the train of events that followed leading up to the end-result ruling.

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My issue is the precedent that stealing isn't stealing if you need it.

How many thefts should a store have to endure? How does a store owner determine that the thief is poor? How poor do they need to be? What if they're just poor "right now"? Can they steal food directly from other people?

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holy bejeezus. i see both sides of the issue here....in the case of this person, if it had been me, i most likely would have pulled the obviously struggling fellow human to the side, told him i'd seen him pocket the ($5) of food, and taken it and added it to my bill.

no matter how badly off we think *we* may be, there's always value in paying it forward -- if we're able to.

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For the record...

I'm not saying I see value in jailing this guy. But to determine that stealing something because you need it is not a crime? That's bothersome to me.

I appreciate that this is in Italy and not here, but this attitude is growing...

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Italy's highest court has acquitted a homeless man of stealing cheese and sausages, ruling that the theft of small amounts of food by the hungry poor is not a crime.

Ukrainian Roman Ostriakov was caught in 2011 pocketing 4.07 euros ($4.72) worth of food in a supermarket in Genoa, after a customer spotted him and reported him to a member of staff, Italian media reported on Tuesday.

He was sentenced to six months in prison and ordered to pay a 100 euro fine.

But the verdict was appealed on grounds that Ostriakov had been stopped before he had actually left the supermarket, and at a second appeal, Italy's court of cassation acquitted him.

It was clear the defendant "could not live without feeding himself, so acted out of necessity," the court said.

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Weddings and funerals have been banned and Pyongyang is in lockdown as preparations for a once-in-a-generation party congress get underway in North Korea.

The ruling Worker’s Party of Korea, headed by the country's leader, Kim Jong-un, is due to stage the first gathering of its kind for 36 years on Friday.

People who want to get married, or die, will have to wait until the end of next week.

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Its all about money, nothin more or less,,, some will do about anything, just to cause some shit.

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