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Either CBS is trying to steer their viewing audience toward voting Democratic, or they are being played and manipulated by the DNC.

Another observation I have is the outrage over the Swiftboat veterans efforts. Why no outrage over move on dot org. I heard Bush say that all of those soft money parties should be stopped. Kerry and the DNC only want those stopped that oppose them.

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I remember the Republicans making a big stink out of Military service in 1992 against Clinton. The Dems were beside themselves stating that what Clinton did during the Vietnam era did not matter. Now 12 years later, the Dems position has move 180 degrees. Did they suddenly wise up, or could it be political expediancy?

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And that's why we should all vote for Kerry? Cause Bush is no better? Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessshhhh!!!!!!!! Now I've heard it all!!!

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TheCaretakers92: "Private schools answer very little to big brother, yet are undisputed in their excellence in teaching. That be the case, privatizing the schools would make them compete for excellence, rather then more government funding!"

People need to be careful with how they do this. I've heard the word "vouchers" thrown around and to this I say "run away! run away!". Vouchers invite government control over the private sector. It's only right that with money comes accountability. As a former home-schooling father, I taught my children what I believed was right and did not want the government telling me what I felt was not their responsibility to tell me. If I (or any other institute of private education) accepted vouchers (or any form of government funding), I would rightfully need to accept government oversight in exchange.

BTW, to throw more fuel into an already hotly burning fire... Home-schooling can be done at a mere fraction of what all the other schools charge - and has been shown in numerous studies to produce not only high standards of education, but mature, free-thinking citizens.

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Nutz, I'm gonna make this quick. Afirmative action and the progressive tax scales do not level the field, they merely slant it a different direction. You may argue that this is needed, and justified, and I might even agree a bit, but it is not equal. I believe in equality, even when it hurts. You also proved my point about the confederacy, you are no more willing to admit there was any good about the confederacy, then you are about Bush. Also you stuck up for the denial of states rights cause some abused them. Your party also advocates removal of citizens rights cause some might abuse them. The right to bear arms, the right to raise our children with out government intervention, and on and on. The policys that your party has persued have not made everybody any more equal, they have simply changed the preferences, inequality still remains. This may unite your party, but you will never unite the country this way. Too many of us have issues with your partys drive twords socialism and federal totalitarianism. Have you ever heard the quote "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"? It defines liberal elitism to a tee, and as long as that remains your partys policy, this country will not reunite. Nutz, I believe you are good compassionate and caring folks, I also believe that you are so blinded by anti Bush, that you can't see where your party is leading you, straight down the path to totalitarianism. Is that reallyu what you want for this country? It will lead to revolution.

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The oil embargo that caused the so-called gas shortage, which by the way there was no shortage, it was just not being sent to the US, started on Oct. 17, 1973 and lifted March 18, 1974. Thus we were told to put out the "out of gas" signs, even when our tanks had plenty. The reasoning was conservation. The following in brackets was taken from just one hit from a google search on the topic 1973 oil embargo.

{On October 17, 1973 OPEC member states declare an oil embargo against nations that had supported Israel during its war (known by many as the Yom Kippur War) with Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. The energy crisis that followed saw oil prices quadruple and the New York Stock Exchange lose $97 billion in share value, bringing on the worst recession since WWII.}

And from another article: {A severe recession hit much of the Western world, including the U.S., and as gasoline lines snaked their way around city blocks and tempers flared (the price at the pump had risen from 30 cents a gallon to about $1.20 at the height of the crisis), conspiracy theories abounded. The rumor with the widest circulation had the whole crisis as being contrived by the major oil importers who were supposedly secretly raking in the profits. New York Harbor was really full of tankers loaded with oil, in no hurry to dock, according to the Oliver Stone types. Sorry, folks, it was just our own stupidity that allowed us to be so used and abused.}

So yes we still had to deal with it in 1974, but it started in 1973.

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That's funny I remember the first so called gas shortage was in 1973 during Nixon, but was really caused by the Iraninians. I am old enough to remember and I worked at a gas station. I don't remember any lines in 1975.

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And maybe we could send less money out of this country supporting despotic governments under the name of freedom (both left and right have done this for decades) and find a better use for it at home. This one I agree on. I am catagorically against foreign aid of any kind. If we're going to go around the world trying to do good, we should do the good ourselves, not just throw money out to foreign governments that turn around and use it against us.

I am not anti democrat either. What I am against is the federal government controlling, regulating, and intervening in every part of our daily lives. I hate the phrases "interventions" and "systemizing of our citizens" and "lifestyle managment", but they have become normal in our scociety. Again thanks to Hillary health care. The helmet law debate is an example of this. I will allways wear a helmet when riding on or offroad, though I think it should be riders choice. I am personally against abortion, but I am politically pro choice. I also favor allowing anyone who wants to to marry. That includes gays, lesbians, polymory relationships, and even Mormans. And the list goes on and on. All these things I have personal opinions about, but I feel these are decisions that should be made by the individuals involved, not by Washington. It's a shame that Confederacy can't be mentioned anymore without being connected with racism and slavery, instead of what it really stood for, which is antifederalism. The belief that government should function from the local up, not from the federal down. That war was not about slavery, the south wanted to end slavery, but they wanted to phase it out. Lincoln said no, washington rules, you do what I say. The south said "Fuck you, we'll take our bat and ball and go home". Lincolns answer was to blockade, invade, and conquer. Thats what that war was about, states rights vs federal rule. I am not a racist, there is only one race, the human race. But my politics are deeply antifederalist, and as I see it there is only two partys that have any shot at being elected, and I've seen that the democrats are far more federalist than the republicans. That's why I'm republican now. I used to be a democrat when I thought it was the other way around, but they let me down. I can usually keep my mouth shut about politics, but when I hear people imply that all republicans are sheep that blindly support everything our leaders say, that really gets my dander up, cause I am anything but.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!! Mike

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Ok Nutz, In response to; One way might be to devise domestic programs that treat all individuals equally and not favor one group over another. Your party supports affirmative action and taxing the wealthy at a higher rate than the poor, as well intended as these policys are, they do favor one group over another.

Maybe find a way to make health care a right and not a privilege. That would be wonderfull, but can we afford it? Perhaps, if we can get the hands of the giant insurrance corperations out of the til. And it's thanks to Hillary health care that the insurance giants now make a profit on everything health care related.

We could look for alternative fuel sources so that we didnt have rely as heavily on foreign oil. Another wonderfull idea, but it's going to take alot of time and money, neither of which this country has an excess of right now. What would be wrong with a compramise? Allow a conservative amount of drilling in Alaska done in an enviromentally friendly way, while also developing renewable fuel sources such as ethanol. And mebby doing something about the huge amount of oil we export. We allready produce enough oil to meet our needs. We export it to countrys where gas is 5 bucks a gallon, then buy cheep oil to fuel our own needs.

Maybe we could figure a way to spend a little more money on educating our children and a little less on useless weapons systems. Throwing money at the education system is not the answer, though I agree there are school systems in need of funding. If we want our children to be educated better, it's up to us as perants to teach our children to want to learn. No amount of money is going to help a child that doesn't want to learn. I also think holding schools to a higher accountability would help too. I don't know which weapon systems you consider useless, or that either of us is qualified to judge a weapon systems usefullness. I do know that thanks to our modern weapon systems, we killed a lot less civillians conquering Iraq than we did conquering Germany or Japan. Just a note, there was a large opposition to going to Europe in 41. "Germany didn't attack us, Japan did, we don't belong in Europe fighting a country that did nothing to us". Sound familiar?

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Dan, that quote hits it on the head, humanity in general is too selfish and greedy to make true democracy work for long. It's also true that Bush is far from ultra conservative, there's alot of republicans that think he's a liberal in disguise. The same is true of Kerry, there's many far more leftist than him, we saw many of them demonstrating at the RNC, but I still feel our best path to follow lies between the two current candidates.

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