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Then given that criteria whether or not he wins in a week, it must surely be TB12.

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"one of the best" is different than the best. Anyway. we have come up with a SuperBowl to determine the best team and every team wants to win it and the QB leads the team. So IMO the best quarterback EVER, not one of the best, is the one who lead their team to the most rings.

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Chez, so true. You have to look at their whole body of work not just SB rings. I am not knocking Elway, because Elway was one of those players that no matter what the score he tried to find a way to win. Aikmen was a great game manager which at the time was not a 'thing'. In today's game the QB position requires an almost MIT graduates brain to read complex and ever changing defensive schemes. Watch a QB at the line pre snap.- thatbis insane how they change the play when they see what they have, changevit back after the defense adjusts to his adjustment and then post snap (on passing downs) havjngvto do quick reads of all his options . And oh yeah no you have no time and you are going to be punished after you do it . QBs in the 80/90s didnt have it as hard. Granted they took a harder punishment and hit because of what the rules are. Latter day they could party it up and be celebrities, in today's game their season is year round and they have tonbe dedicated for longevity.

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The other main factor for me is the era.

No way you can really make a comparison between Johnny U or Lenny Dawson, or even Terry Bradshaw, with the QB's of today. The rules are just completely different.

Hell, they might as well dress the receivers and QB's in tutus now.

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Interesting I just heard a critique on these two yesterday on Sports Radio (Aikman and Elway). One knock was Aikman never performed well in poor weather games (rain or cold). I think the guy was one of the best pure pocket passers and had a cannon arm. Elway, cannon arm and wasn't afraid to run when he had to.... But measuring the best by rings? Come on Man... then Johnny U or Dan Marino wouldn't be one of the best?

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"So best will be who holds the most rings. "

I can only partially agree with that. As TBR said you need to look at the totality of their work. Football is the sport most dependent on teammates and coaches for success. No one person can dominate when there are 22 (or 53) players a side and the game is so much more complex than other sports.

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BUT Aikman is better than Elway because he has more rings! Period.

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My point. The only thing separating the two are loses. You could also make the argument that without Davis, John may have never won since Terrel was the difference in those games.

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Hell ya!!! I wouldn't trade Elway for Aikman. It get's fun comparing QB's and who is the greatest or who's better than who. Do you go by winningest, SuperBowl appearences, passing yards, what players surrounded them,era,comebacks and the list goes on. Or subjective like John Elway is better than Troy Aikman because Troy is a dick, Troy had better players surrounding him his career, John has more wins, more passing years and I hate Dallas .. HA! Dallas sucks and pretty much the country agrees with that...but I digress.

For Greatest Of All Time I use SuperBowl wins. That's what every player and fan wants every year. They will trade the best QB for a SuperBowl win every time if they can. That's what Denver did and got one with Osweiler/Manning switch. So best will be who holds the most rings.

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"... Aikmen over Elway on the fact that Elway did lose 2 SBs. Both had great teams around them that made them look great. "

Disagree, Elway played with a bunch of nobodies and lost all those Superbowls until Terrell Davis came along.

Aikman had HOF'ers for RB, WR, O-line and all pro's for Tight End and on defense.

Elway did more with less (except win SB's) than just about any QB in history.

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