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My point. The only thing separating the two are loses. You could also make the argument that without Davis, John may have never won since Terrel was the difference in those games.

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Hell ya!!! I wouldn't trade Elway for Aikman. It get's fun comparing QB's and who is the greatest or who's better than who. Do you go by winningest, SuperBowl appearences, passing yards, what players surrounded them,era,comebacks and the list goes on. Or subjective like John Elway is better than Troy Aikman because Troy is a dick, Troy had better players surrounding him his career, John has more wins, more passing years and I hate Dallas .. HA! Dallas sucks and pretty much the country agrees with that...but I digress.

For Greatest Of All Time I use SuperBowl wins. That's what every player and fan wants every year. They will trade the best QB for a SuperBowl win every time if they can. That's what Denver did and got one with Osweiler/Manning switch. So best will be who holds the most rings.

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"... Aikmen over Elway on the fact that Elway did lose 2 SBs. Both had great teams around them that made them look great. "

Disagree, Elway played with a bunch of nobodies and lost all those Superbowls until Terrell Davis came along.

Aikman had HOF'ers for RB, WR, O-line and all pro's for Tight End and on defense.

Elway did more with less (except win SB's) than just about any QB in history.

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TBR: great comment. ISO true the pass crazy offenses of today really originated with the AFL. No one can deny that the SF/LA Bolts relied a crazy amount on the arm of Fouts.

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I'll agree with that.

I'm a Chargers homer, so I think Dan Fouts and his coach Don Coryell (and Sid Gillman) get short shrift from the league.

All of the offenses today are built on the Chargers offenses of the late 1970s-early 1980s.

Others have improved it, but the Chargers did it first...

But no Superb Owls because of poor ownership, among other things.

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As a Cowboy fan I will edge Aikmen over Elway on the fact that Elway did lose 2 SBs. Both had great teams around them that made them look great.

QBs are a product of their environment. One man can be the difference maker, but he still requires help from others. Perfect example is Eli who needed help from his receivers to be the difference maker.

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So Jim Plunkett is a better QB than Brett Farve?

Bob Griese is better than Dan Marino?

Troy Aikman better than John Elway?

Totality of work.

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BT - do you consider Dan Marino a great QB? How about Fran Tarkenton, Len Dawson, Jim Kelley? They don't have rings but were great still.

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Great qbs are measured by super bowl rings. Especially a qb that has won super bowl rings at different times in his career.

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Well, this certainly turned out the way I thought it would.

BT

Looking forward to Sunday.

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