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A more interesting predicate question in this thread would have been whether an admittedly religious message on a license plate is that of the government that issued the tag, or the person who chose to display it. A related question is whether a license tag (some form of which the state requires) is a "forum" for expression at all, and if so, whether its nature is public or private. 

Those questions are answered more by SCOTUS freedom of speech cases, than by religion cases. 

People had already by-passed those questions and went straight for the Establishment Clause issues before I joined the conversation. Superficial understanding of constitutional issues is not unusual. 

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"2. The case I pointed out is THE definitive test case when the issue is STATE related, and involves religious and non secular icons, images and adornments. ... The reason Allegheny applies, is that this is a STATE issue, and there is no coherent argument that these plates are anything but religious."

Your Allegheny case addressed whether displays were primarily religious as opposed to secular; they admittedly were the government's displays, on government property. The Texas license tag issue is exactly opposite: an admittedly religious message, but questionable as to whether the message is the government's as opposed to those of the person who chooses to display them on his car. 

You Allegheny case addresses a question not asked, and doesn't address the question that is at issue. Which is why I said it adds nothing to this discussion, but thanks for sharing anyway. 

Also, thanks for agreeing not to teach me anything about your understanding of constitutional issues. Have a nice day. 

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"1. You all but dismissed the idea of a first amendment argument, and instead attempted to make a redundant 14th amendment case. Did you even KNOW what the establishment clause WAS before I mentioned it and you Googled it?" 

I suppose you missed my very first post in this thread referring to the delicate interplay between the First Amendment's free exercise clause and the establishment clause. You might also have missed the discussion below about the Everson case, which was devoted entirely to the First Amendment's Establishment Clause. 

The 14th Amendment is hardly redundant. Without it, the First Amendment would apply only to acts of Congress, not to the State of Texas. I mentioned the 14th earlier in this thread only because someone asked me why the First Amendment might restrict Texas from involving itself in religion. 

Appreciation to Captain Obvious for bringing the First Amendment to our attention; some people might have missed it in middle school civics. 

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Fun Ahoy....do you actually enjoy making me correct and humiliate you? 1. You all but dismissed the idea of a first amendment argument, and instead attempted to make a redundant 14th amendment case. Did you even KNOW what the establishment clause WAS before I mentioned it and you Googled it? Of course you didn't 2. The case I pointed out is THE definitive test case when the issue is STATE related, and involves religious and non secular icons, images and adornments. The decision not only ruled what CAN NOT be displayed or distributed by a staTe, it also ruled what CAN. If you bothered to read it, it ruled that the Christmas images and adornments were UN constitution because they were exclusively religious, whereas the Menorah was "cultural". The point Corkey, and the reason Allegheny applies, is that this is a STATE issue, and there is no coherent argument that these plates are anything but religious. You are out of your league and over your head with me son...don't embarrass yourself

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"A portion of sales also go to The Glory Gang..."

I wonder why they didn't name it "The Glory Holy Gang"???

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Perkster, your observation here yesterday (that the Establishment Clause has some effect on this issue) was nothing more than playing Captain Obvious. Brilliant. 

Your suggestion that the Allegheny County case is the most instructive, was just a laughable attempt by you to appear erudite. That case actually has very little if anything to add to this discussion. 

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Shit I can't even have Dr. Pepper anymore. Now it's flat Dr. Pepper.

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Perf, what's your problem? I told you two days ago that between us this case was closed, after you finally admitted your year-long insistence upon a flatly incorrect understanding of the Everson case. I told you yesterday that nothing was directed at you. Nor are my comments this morning. There are intervening posts that you apparently can't see. I tried my best yesterday to ignore your humorless jabs. 

If you really want to drag shit in here from Politics and embarrass yourself in this thread beyond what you've already done, knock yourself out. 

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Suck it up I did my firiend, and then followed the wisdom of David Axlerod. "Let them come at you, and come at you again, and then you hit them back, and hit them back again...with the truth" Words to live by

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Fun...all things being relative, (as I have told you before) you are far less guilty than "others" of what I described...Sadly however, you are judged by the company you keep, the butts you squeeze and the backs you pat. That's just the way the world works, don't blame me, I didn't create it.

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