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There is also something to be said for subsidizing transitional technologies...

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"So given that a Model S sells for around $90k on average (depending on version), the buyer is paying, in the end, roughly $80,000. But the car cost about $120,000 to build. In order to sell at a profit - without government incentives - the car would cost at least $130,000. How many do you think they'd be selling if the price jumped by $50k?"

.....i'm JW why on this green earth the cars *weren't* priced $50K higher. i mean...really! if people are gonna buy a luxury "electric" car then they damned well ought to *pay* for it. (and not you and me subsidizing their friggin toy.)

~sniff~

as you were, folks.

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Um, yes. My apologies, apparently my example was not made well enough. I will explain in another factual approach for you. The sourced electricity is a transformation of it's primary source, whether it be a raw conversion, storage or other. While your statement about ultimately 'they are powered by coal, nuclear [sic]...etc' can be "loosely" affirmed, as with almost anything, but only to an extent. All power applied comes from a primary source, however, the primary source loses it's claim as the source of power once the conversion to a secondary energy source takes place, which also goes against your erroneous remark that electricity is not an energy source, which I believe (opined) would be a current 1) primary (unclassified) source, because it is yet to be harnessed successfully with current technologies and a 2) secondary (classified) source (non-opined) also known to some as a "energy carrier" or "commodity" since primary sources must be converted to [sic] ie, electricity or hydrogen (two of the most known). I did find your write up to be entertaining and even a bit humorous how yearly losses were stacking against the auto maker, yet how they continue to thrive at a loss.

We can agree to disagree on this subject matter, and while misinformed and/or outdated collegiate papers circulate on the interweb and people can argue old energy classification information, I am not willing to pursue converse nor debate further what updated classifications of energy sources are already established by the USEIA, USAID, as well as the UNSD on the SIEC and CPC listings.

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"The spark to ignite fuel is the catalyst that makes the true source of "fuel" vehicles electricity."

Um, no. Even though I appreciate you were trying to be funny.

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"Your "electric" car runs on whatever was used to generate the electricity. So your Tesla is actually a nuclear, fuel oil, or coal powered car."

The spark to ignite fuel is the catalyst that makes the true source of "fuel" vehicles electricity.

Or are we going to go all the way back to lightning creating fire.............

:-P

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Well, the company itself receives a lot of money in the form of green energy incentives, tax advantages, and carbon credits (which it then sells to other companies).

Then the people who buy it get a $7,500 tax credit, reduced vehicle registration costs (in many states), more subsidies if they install a charging station, etc.

They built 52,000 cars in 2015. So they lost $17,000 per car they built. That's a HUGE shortfall. It would have been almost double that ($30,000 per car) if they didn't have such darling government status.

So given that a Model S sells for around $90k on average (depending on version), the buyer is paying, in the end, roughly $80,000. But the car cost about $120,000 to build. In order to sell at a profit - without government incentives - the car would cost at least $130,000. How many do you think they'd be selling if the price jumped by $50k?

Besides - it's not really an electric car at all. There is strictly speaking no such thing as an electric car, since electricity is not an energy source. Your "electric" car runs on whatever was used to generate the electricity. So your Tesla is actually a nuclear, fuel oil, or coal powered car.

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....but the car is so cool!

(JW if the folks who've bought them realize how much their cars were subsidized...or care.)

Bridgewater NJ
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JW how many more years that Tesla Motors can run in deep red - even with huge government credits - before their investors get tired of this and lose money?

$889 million loss last year. Would have been much higher without government incentives and carbon credits they sold. Good LORD.

Windermere FL
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JW who "edits" road signs?

"Roads Narrows"

(yuh huh)

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Nope. Just saw -34

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