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<-----a fuckin' weirdo.

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JW: Ever notice how many people ONLY come to the forums to share their "One Word" on the Threesomes page?

Fuckin' weirdos.

JWx2: What the hell does "One word that describes how you're feeling" have to do with Threesomes? And yet it is almost always at the top of the page as one of the most replied to threads.

Fuckin' weirdos. x2

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Sometimes it's difficult to disentangle the political from the societal. The issue of voting is couched as political and local. A matter of local control. The societal question is: Does a voter in Texas (or Florida or Ohio) have the right to let their concerns trump (sorry for the word choice) the rights of citizens elsewhere, as in Federal elections? Despite the potential for disenfranchisement that for some reason baffles people who can't imagine anyone not having a drivers license as tens of millions of voting age, particularly the elderly, do not, there are other issues that affect the entire country. Electronic voting for example.Should there be standards? Hard copy backup? If the Swift bank wire transfer system can be hacked twice in a month How long will it be before a presidential election is hacked? This is a societal issue I think, as is the continued existence of the electoral college.

As for the Byzantine VA, Texas for just one example, has decided that concealed carry permits as well as drivers licenses are valid but college ID is not. Granted in some states a concealed carry permit is much harder to get than a driver's license, which does not even require documentation of citizenship in many states. So why a driver's license? And to prevent what? Voter fraud that doesn't exist in any meaningful sense anywhere?

The question I raised was not about all these voter ID laws which, you can probably tell I view with scorn, but rather why the F%*K only three states have adopted a system that is simple, uncontroversial and drama free in the states that use it, massively less expensive, massively more convenient, and completely verifiable. We've had it so long here that I was shocked to hear there were only three similar states.

And by the way, no one has even asked what it takes to get a voter registration in any of these three states. That's actually a completely separate issue from how the elections are conducted.

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Sometimes it's difficult to disentangle the political from the societal. The issue of voting is couched as political and local. A matter of local control. The societal question is: Does a voter in Texas (or Florida or Ohio) have the right to let their concerns trump (sorry for the word choice) the rights of citizens elsewhere.

Despite the potential for disenfranchisement that for some reason baffles people who can't imagine anyone not having a drivers license as tens of millions of voting age, there are other issues that affect the entire country. Electronic voting for example.Should there be standards and hard backup? If the Swift bank wire transfer system can be hacked twice in a month How long will it be before a presidential election is hacked?

As for the Byzantine VA, Texas for just one example, has decided that concealed carry permits as well as drivers licenses are valid but college ID is not. Granted in some states a concealed carry permit is much harder to get than a driver's license, which does not even require documentation of citizenship in many states. So why a driver's license? And to prevent what? Voter fraud that doesn't exist in any meaningful sense anywhere?

The question I raised was not about all these voter ID laws which, you can probably tell I view with scorn, but rather why the F%*K only three states have adopted a system that is simple, uncontroversial and drama free in the states that use it, massively less expensive, and completely verifiable. We've had it so long that I was shocked there were only three similar states.

And by the way, no one has even asked what it takes to get a voter registration in any of these three states. That's actually a separate issue from how the elections are conducted.

Wenatchee WA
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And that last post is why political stuff should stay off the open forums. It's the mating call to the criminally misguided

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tbr, "But without a car and/or the original documents needed, this can be a challenge." Then go back to where they came from if they are UNDOCUMENTED AND ILLEGAL. National ID is what is needed so we know who is who. Stop the PCers.

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I don't think the objection is showing the ID more than it is getting the ID in the first place.

Most people just go down to the DMV and have no problem. But without a car and/or the original documents needed, this can be a challenge.

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I've never heard of anyone describe showing an ID as complex or convoluted. I've heard them describe it as racist, unfair, whatever. But not complicated. Any more than having to show ID when you buy beer.

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Ok Scamp,

Deleted it out of consideration for you, which I hope you appreciate. It seemed like a fair question to me and generally non partisan. Vote by mail has been a non issue here in Washington, like legalized gay marriage and pot. Still some people would rather politicize those things too.

I didn't know I had to check with the euphemism police before using the word Byzantine. I don't see most people using it to refer to things actually similar to the Eastern Roman empire, though that's the technical definition in Webster. The second and more common is "2) (of a system or situation) excessively complicated, typically involving a great deal of administrative detail."

I think any governmental system designed to prevent a problem that is, statistically speaking, nonexistent, by making people jump through a lot of hoops fits the second definition of Byzantine pretty well. Wyden's solution struck me as so common sense as to be - watch out guys another big word here - "elegant". Dammit! Sorry. I should have gone with "more good".

Wenatchee WA
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"Byzantine" used to mean "comparable to the complexities and odd structure of the Byzantine Empire", but has become a synonym for "bad" by people wishing to use a fancier word.

Possibly second only to the word "fascist" on the list of most abused words.

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