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No, I guess I'm one of the lucky guys who can claim Italian ancestry on both sides of my family and no fur sweater.

JW: what the outcome will be from my late night, fast food bad decision will be?

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When the day came and that happened, I decided to no longer channel my inner George "The Animal" Steele and began waxing. I've never looked back.

Pardon the pun.

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{{{{{shudder}}}}}}}

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JW: Have you ever gotten out of the shower and stood in front of the mirror while grooming and looked at your back hair and thought, "That needs brushed" ?

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....on hold for 51 minutes and counting. JW if it's even worth staying on hold or if i should just wait till monday to complete my claim when (apparently) there will not be as long a "hold" period.

*rolling eyes*

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"I'm afraid I'm baffled as to your point."

I already knew that.

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VA, I wouldn't argue about the potential energy stored in decayed plant matter, primarily coal, but I'm afraid I'm baffled as to your point. What we choose to do verses what we can do is sort of the essence of civilization in my view. Germany produced 6.3 percent of its power from renewables in 2003. By 2014 it was 30%.

I think there is a moral dimension beyond "Yay for today" that implies we should care about what sort of a world our power generation choices will leave for future generations. While I believe climate change is, at this point, likely irreversible that is not the same as believing that 500 ppm CO2 in the atmosphere will be no worse than 800ppm for those who live under that atmosphere.

And as far as the subsidies you quote, there are numbers being thrown around by conservative columnists like spaghetti against a wall. The highest figure I've seen so far is $5 billion and that's speculative and based on projected sales and state tax credits. And if states want to give those subsidies in order to encourage green industries so what? The voters elect the governments in those states. Just like the voters elected the Governor of your state who made it policy that no state agencies will be allowed to publically acknowledge that climate change exists. If Floridians are OK with sea level rise why should I care?

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"JW: If this is how Penny feels on The Big Bang Theory?"

Ahhh......hahahaha! :-D

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"Lots of companies lose money in their growth phase. It was years before Facebook made any money...long enough that man analysts wondered if they ever would."

But they are losing THEIR money, not taxpayer money. Tesla has lost billions outright so far, and much higher when you count in all of the government cash. Total at least $10 billion. Did Facebook lose BILLIONS? I don't think so. You are missing my point entirely, which is that gobs of government cash have kept this company afloat for a decade, with more losses to come. The WSJ, Musk himself, and any serious analysts don't predict profitability until at least 2020, which means billions and billions MORE of losses to come.

"As for the old "You're just burning other fuels" argument, that leaves out hydro, solar, and wind power grid inputs."

There's a good reason to leave them out. In spite of our efforts renewables (aside from hydroelectric, which is old news and while reliable is pretty much maxed out) still don't crack 7%.

Coal 38.1%; Natural gas/Oil 28.3%; Nuclear 19.2% (Total = 85.6%)

Hydroelectric 6.3%; Other renewables 6.7%

All energy is, strictly speaking, nuclear, albeit often from reactions which occurred millions of years ago. But most of our electrical generation comes from existing earthbound potential, whether it be fossil fuel or nuclear.

We're going to be primarily using fossil fuels and nuclear for the rest of this century at least. We will wind down use of fossil fuels for environmental and political reasons, not supply. That's been thoroughly discredited. We could go at least another 500 years based on the fossil fuel reserves we know about, and probably a millennium when you factor in those we don't know about. By that time they will cease to be relevant as energy sources except for niche applications.

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JW: If this is how Penny feels on The Big Bang Theory?

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