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actually around here there is hardly any SM's at Lifestyle events even when they are open to unlimited SM's.

Generally any friday night at our club is open to SM's last few times we were there I think there were 2 the one night and 1 the other. No chance of them out numbering the couples around here.

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Hey PG. Read past the word "intended." The part in parentheses.

I'd prefer that instead of you putting words in my mouth. You're channeling Nic. :)

Either one of you, answer this question. (I know I shouldn't ask since Nic hasn't answered any of my questions because he knows the answers will only defeat his position)

Why are single males limited at most LS gatherings? (then to your answer ask "why" again a couple times)

Examine that and you'll understand.

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guess we are only part time swingers. We generally play with singles. Either males (usually) or the occasional straight or bi who can keep her hands off me female.

and if my partner referred to me as a piece of skin to be traded we would never swing again.

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And to that opinion I will say that until you have some skin in the game, pun intended (i.e. a committed partner with whom you share the experience) then you are just looking to fuck.

Swinging is about sharing. Bringing nothing to share (so to speak) is just use of the system.

Oh, and one of the main reasons SMs are complained about pretty much nonstop? They seem to feel entitled to participate in most couples-only LS events (hence the whining and trying to redefine themselves) when many couples are only interested in those who have made the commitment, first.

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Meltdown on aisle L. lol

Thanks PG, I do need a diversion from the delusional dood. When will people realize that their way is not the only way to swing? Next he will be touting being bi as the only way to be a REAL swinger. If that's the case, I will definitely have to concede the point. I swing as a single and I swing as a couple but I don't swing that way. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

;^D

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its a matter of opinion whether a single male or female is a "swinger"

one definition (and no not mine) is:

Swingers can be couples (married or not) or singles.

They have a sexually free spirit. Couples tend to be in love with each other, and only "share" each other sexually with others. Sometimes this means "swapping wives" sometimes it means "group sex".

Single swingers generally despise the dating process and would rather meet at swinger gatherings where it is acceptable and in some cases expected that sex can/will occur on the spot with whomever they meet and feel attracted to.

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Oh, now you're part of a couple too, yet you spent all this time implying single meetups constitute swinging? That's rich.

If you were in a committed couple, you'd know there is an *enormous* difference between being a single and being a swinger. Maybe the person you are "coupled" with isn't that serious and doesn't constitute a LTR? Because if she did, you'd know there is a very conscious, identifiable difference.

If you are just FWB and play together occasionally, that makes *you* the guy with the "ticket" and not sharing someone whom he cares about very deeply and enjoys her experience as much as (if not more than) he does his own.

Sorry, "dood" but you aren't a swinger until you bring someone like that to share. You're simply a guy looking to get laid. That happens pretty much everywhere, all the time and you don't need a site to do it. Well, the rest of us don't, anyway.

Swinging isn't about you. It is about sharing your partner.

Just think - all this talking and it turns out you don't even know what a swinger is. You could have just saved us all a lot of time and posted that part first. You are a (albeit sexually promiscuous) single male, period.

And for the record, lets look at YOUR post on what I said. You stated in the *same post* that I said,

"You asserted that single man can't be picky." (<--see the absolute??)

...which is not what I said, of course. Then you went into your chest pounding routine AND contradicted yourself not two sentences later.

I think you should follow your own advice on both reading comprehension AND saving your breath, because you keep making the hole you're in that much bigger each time you post.

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I have something better for you to do with your hands and mouth ;)

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If you took one moment to look at what I wrote instead of what you think I meant, you would see that I was saying that your comment was a generalization and not an absolute truth. Something you now claim to be YOUR point. The simple fact is, I am as picky as I want to be and no amount of math or statistics or grandstanding on your part changes that fact.

Oh and I play with couples as a single and as part of a couple with a single female so by any definition, even one as biased and narrow-minded as yours, I am as much a part of the LS as you are. Not that I really care about your opinion because once again, it is just your opinion and not reppesenative of any truth or fact.

I told fun not to waste his breath, I should follow my own advice.

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Nic -

9600+ posts on a swingers forum doesn't make you part of the lifestyle. Sharing a partner with others would make you part of the lifestyle. You're basically verifying that you bring no more to the table than any other single guy on here, so thanks for that I guess.

1) Single/single hookups do not constitute swinging, no matter where you met them. You playing with a couple makes you a part of THEIR lifestyle experience, but again you are only granted access by her or her husband. And luckily so, I might add.

THEY can replace YOU with ease. You cannot replace them with any relative level of effort. You are a single male and couples can find any number of you by spending 5 minutes at a bar. Who gets to be the most selective? You or them?

The answer, GENERALLY, is that they will find another partner much more easily than you will, should either of you say no.

2) OK, lets look at the posts I have made, since you think no one is going to call you on this BS. I said, in my second post here:

"Generally, the females (or men with them) make the rules. Sure, it is biased and unfair to single guys, but they pretty much get to be picky unlike the single men out there."

Where is there an absolute in that statement? (which you have misquoted and argued against multiple times, BTW)

Then just above that comment, I said:

"The whole reason for this thread is because women get to choose from 20 guys while men have to compete much, much more to get a girl.

I am not talking about vanilla dating (single/single). I am talking about guys/gals sharing their SO, which is what swinging is."

You used yourself as a specific example to refute a generalization, which is in itself a fallacy. I think I have pointed this out now four times.

Nic - no one cares about your supposed exploits when it comes to comments that are representative of the LS as a whole.

...and yet you still use single/single hookups to refute something that involves primarily couples, as if it meant anything.

And perhaps most importantly ---

3) If single males got to be as picky as couples and females do, then why does this thread exist? Why do all the complaints (by and) about single males exist?

Why do we (and other couples/females) receive ~10-30 one-line emails a week from single guys who are fishing for any type of contact? Are they all "picky?"

Look, you can consider yourself the veritable God of Hammer-Swinging for all I care. You don't affect us in the least. But stop trying to use specific, individual examples to change the overwhelming amount of data showing the opposite of what you are trying to prove.

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