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Created by: kinddraggon Original Starting post for this thread:
Sorry about the barrage of threads, but I've been wanting to ask so many things for a long time but couldn't even organize my questions. Please forgive my ignorance. I'm trying to learn so much, and I am, but the contradictions are making me crazy! I've been drinking a whey protein shake after each workout, and want to include more protein in my diet. I read alot of you do include protein shakes through out your day. Then I read this article yesterday, just wondering what anyone might think and if there is some truth to it? ----- The #1 WORST Protein for Weight Loss Whey protein, even the "high quality" stuff that you'd pay an arm and a leg to obtain from your local Vitamin Shoppe or GNC, could very likely be stalling your fat loss progress and, even WORSE, causing you to GAIN weight. And if that wasn't enough, here are the absolute WORST times to consume whey protein: 1. During the day 2. In the evening Scratching your head? Don't: you understood it perfectly. Whey protein simply isn't a great protein to consume at any time of day, and for specific reasons.

Created by: kinddraggon
Original Starting post for this thread:

Sorry about the barrage of threads, but I've been wanting to ask so many things for a long time but couldn't even organize my questions. Please forgive my ignorance. I'm trying to learn so much, and I am, but the contradictions are making me crazy! 

I've been drinking a whey protein shake after each workout, and want to include more protein in my diet. I read alot of you do include protein shakes through out your day. Then I read this article yesterday, just wondering what anyone might think and if there is some truth to it? 
-----
The #1 WORST Protein for Weight Loss

Whey protein, even the "high quality" stuff that you'd pay an arm and a leg to obtain from your local Vitamin Shoppe or GNC, could very likely be stalling your fat loss progress and, even WORSE, causing you to GAIN weight. 

And if that wasn't enough, here are the absolute WORST times to consume whey protein: 
1. During the day
2. In the evening 
Scratching your head? Don't: you understood it perfectly. Whey protein simply isn't a great protein to consume at any time of day, and for specific reasons.

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User Details are only visible to members.	diet is 80% how you look... just to get that out of the way. most of the protein you intake should be eaten... only drink it if your going to miss a meal or a snack... you should be eating 6 to 8 meals a day, the easiest way to do this is take how many cals you want to eat a day and divid by the number of meals you can eat... ex i eat about 5000 cals a day divide that by 6 and then i eat about thats about 800 to 850 cals per meal. now the question is what to eat... that would be according to your goal... for me it is gaining muscle and or maintaining the muscle i have. so i eat a high diet low carb diet... low carb for me is now or little bread (all bread is bread - including whole wheat... except for ezeikel bread) no pasta and no raw sugar, soda, candy and such. then i work out about 3 to 4 days a week and if i can fit it in to my schedule i would go a 5th day... normally i never do... and i stay at the gym for about 45 min to 2 hours depending on how much time i have and what i am acutally doing. basic but effective... good luck to all.
Rochester NY			Username hidden (28 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Ditto to CC; nothing tastes as good as that protein;), but I also drink one Special K Protein Shake about an hour before either my run/jog on park trails or session at the gym. I also hydrate frequently with water throughout the day. I use the protein shake because I eat mostly vegetarian with some chicken and seafood and every once in a while I allow an excellently prepared medium well steak into my digestive tract.
Memphis TN			Username hidden (2752 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Every morning I get all my protien needs, before he gets out of bed ! :) You cannot get this protien supply at GNC. But on a serious note, Andy was a triathelete for 20 years and he believes in Dr Barry Sears, 40-30-30 plan!
Memphis TN			Username hidden (22 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	During the week: Protein shake: I make a morning "breakfast" shake for us of: USDA Organic whey powder (Teraswhey is the brand), organic cold-milled Flax seeds (Nature's Bounty brand), with a cup of unflavored organic Almond milk, fresh fruit (blueberries, strawberries, etc.), and a few ice cubes. This satisfies both of us until lunch time. Lunch: lean protein - chicken breast, beans with fresh vegetables or salad Dinner: I don't eat dinner, even after my Pilate's class. My man eats a Healthy Choice meal. Weekends, we either grill lean meat & vegetables or go out - with choices again of lean meats and vegetables. This "Way of Life" has helped us keep weight off and not feel like we are starving! Daily exercise healthy foods are the keys to all things!
Cocoa FL			Username hidden (108 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	bicplupstateny: everything you just said about what your doctor suggested is a great plan. I am no expert but have learned a lot and progress all boils down to diet. It doesn't matter how many hours you work out or how many protein shakes you take... if you don't eat balanced and nutritious foods, you won't reach your goals. Regular whey protein should not be used as a meal replacement, either. There are meal replacement shakes out there, but whey itself doesn't have all the nutrients your body needs from a meal. I personally am a firm believer in GOOD quality whey protein (GNC is way overpriced and doesn't have the good stuff; I prefer small nutrition shops). I lift weights hard and am very serious about my cardio and though I still have goals to reach, I believe protein has been key in my progress. I drink half a shake upon waking, a full shake after workout, half shake with a PBJ in the afternoon, and a half shake of CASEIN protein before bed. My husband does the same but full shakes for each. Casein (as opposed to whey) is definitely better for night time, as it is breaks down slowly and keeps your muscles fed while you sleep. The best plan is to use both in your routine. The key to protein is using the right stuff at the right times and working out. Taking a protein shake without working out is just like eating more food than you need to. The forum won't allow me to post a link, but google search "casein protein" and click on the first link, an article about casein vs. whey on nutrition express site. bodybuilding dot com is also a great website for information and shopping.
Fort Worth TX			Username hidden (5 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	As for supplements, my integrated / holistic medical dr recommends that I take a good multivitamin, plus extra calcium, magnesium, omega 3 and omega 6 EFAs, and a good probiotic. She also has me taking sublingual B12, holy basil for stress, and 5 HTP as a mood stabilizer (precursor to seratonin). But the supplement that she stressed I need the most right now is vitamin D3. According to my bloodwork, my vitamin D levels are very low. Our bodies can make vitamin D when we are exposed to sunlight, but where I live I can't get enough from October - April. I also don't eat foods that typically have vitamin D added to them (no milk or fortified grains for me). I googled vitamin D deficiency and saw that I had many symptoms of a vitamin D deficiency.....Since I have been following this doctor's advice, my dry itchy skin has improved dramatically, my mood and energy levels are more stable, and the deep ridges in my fingernails are finally disappearing. I have also lost a few pounds, which I needed to lose. Exercise is another major facet of my health plan - cardio, weight-bearing, and strengthening. Oh, and my digestion has improved as well.
Rensselaer NY			Username hidden (2 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	I was confused by all the conflicting information as well. I decided it was time for me to go to an integrated/holistic medical doctor for advice. (The dr. I found trained with Dr. Andrew Weil - you can google him.) She looked at my bloodwork & ordered some additional bloodwork. For my diet, she recommends whole (minimally processed) foods, balancing having the proper ratio of the macronutrients (carbs, proteins, "good" fats), and avoiding specific types of food that I have problems with. Although they are considered healthy for some people, I have a problem with grains and dairy, so my doctor suggested that I go on the Paleo Diet. I still eat meat, but I eat more free-range poultry and cold water fatty fish. I also eat a lot of fresh vegetables and fruit, as well as nuts, seeds, and legumes. (She highly recommends ground flax seeds, chia seeds, and hemp seeds.)
Rensselaer NY			Username hidden (2 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	Don't know what the big deal about Ezekiel (sp?) bread is. We tried a loaf last week and.....eehhhh. :( Won't get it again.
Wailuku HI			Username hidden (440 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	yea, some say with milk, some say not. I don't know which is best for me. My protein powder is my treat of chocolate, so I usually just use water, and sometimes milk. Chocolate would not work with juice. lol.
Kunkletown PA			Username hidden (2981 post)

User Details are only visible to members.	by the way, the same gluten protein found in wheat is also found in spelt & barley & rye. For grains I suggest quinoa & brown rice. juice is just sugar & water - if you have to use protein powder to augment your diet, I would not recommend it, unless you need the extra calories (and like most guys, you might be able to afford it, but us girls have a more limited budget).
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